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11-04-2017 , 03:17 PM
Apologies if this has been covered already but I didn't see anything in the FAQ thread in the stickies.

As the title suggests, I'm looking for some conducting post-tournament analysis. Preferably something that doesn't require a lot of inputting of information prior to each hand. I'm willing to pay if the best ones cost money.
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11-04-2017 , 09:50 PM
ICMizer
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11-05-2017 , 07:47 AM
Thanks. Out of curiosity does ICM software take into account villain's stats? Like is it possible for it to say, read in the tournament hand history and then come up with a potential opening/calling/raising range for the villain based on whatever stats you have for them?

Or, does it completely ignore that and just treat them all the same apart from their stack size and positions?
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11-05-2017 , 07:55 AM
in icmizer you copy a handhistorie and you start out with gto ranges, you have to adjust each villain raise or call range yourself, which you do based on his stats ofcours. I think you can calculate 3 spots for free a day without subscribing
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11-06-2017 , 02:38 PM
icimzer its the best but you have to buy it 160 $ full per year, a free and good icm u cann find at holdemresources.net.
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11-06-2017 , 06:47 PM
I’m currently using HRC as a trial version and I’m liking a lot. Give it a try
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11-08-2017 , 08:41 PM
I prefer Holdem Resource Calculator, they give a 2 week free trial so you can give it a try.
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11-19-2017 , 05:49 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone. I decided to go for ICMizer in the end. So I was using it earlier to look at some spots that I got involved in in some $2.50 180 man Turbos. I found the following a bit surprising:


So it's saying that in this spot a huge number of hands are going to be good to shove. Now presumably this is dictated by GTO calling ranges as someone said above. The thing is at $2.50 levels the opponents are not going to be playing perfectly. I certainly wouldn't be confident shoving 53s in this spot. I suspect that I'll need to make the calling ranges wider across the board.


Can anyone recommend any good adjustments to make for playing at these limits and is there a way to save them so that it's not going to revert back to GTO every time?

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11-19-2017 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout
Thanks for the replies everyone. I decided to go for ICMizer in the end. So I was using it earlier to look at some spots that I got involved in in some $2.50 180 man Turbos. I found the following a bit surprising:


So it's saying that in this spot a huge number of hands are going to be good to shove. Now presumably this is dictated by GTO calling ranges as someone said above. The thing is at $2.50 levels the opponents are not going to be playing perfectly. I certainly wouldn't be confident shoving 53s in this spot. I suspect that I'll need to make the calling ranges wider across the board.


Can anyone recommend any good adjustments to make for playing at these limits and is there a way to save them so that it's not going to revert back to GTO every time?

In my experience in lower stakes, most people are calling tighter than Nash, so you can shove even wider in many spots.
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11-20-2017 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RPMcMurphy
In my experience in lower stakes, most people are calling tighter than Nash, so you can shove even wider in many spots.
It's still hard to come up with a good adjustment because most people call way tighter while others way lighter. Regarding the OP question you have to base your judgment given the perception of the players you have left to act. If you think they call tighter you can shove slightly wide and vice versa.

Also note that when you shove correctly but they call wider it's an equity disaster for both of you. The ones who gain from that "light crash" are always the players that are not involved.
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11-20-2017 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Joao.Cardoso
It's still hard to come up with a good adjustment because most people call way tighter while others way lighter. Regarding the OP question you have to base your judgment given the perception of the players you have left to act. If you think they call tighter you can shove slightly wide and vice versa.

Also note that when you shove correctly but they call wider it's an equity disaster for both of you. The ones who gain from that "light crash" are always the players that are not involved.
Tru dat. It can definitely be a disaster at final tables if you don't pick up on the players who are calling incorrectly on $EV. I have special stats in my HUD to help in these spots, but I'm too tired now to go through and list the specifics. Maybe tomorrow I can post some screenshots of the stats I'm talking about. I've been playing a lot of 180s in the last couple months and I've noticed that even a lot of regs aren't calling correctly. They shove correctly in most spots and they tend to play well in BvB spots, but their overall calling ranges are usually way too tight. Against unknowns and fish, most play too tight, so if I see players folding the blinds or button too often, I tend to go wider than nash. But, yeah, sometimes unknowns or fish will be wild and call wider than you expect, so against those players I tend to play closer to nash or even a little tighter in a few very specific spots.
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11-26-2017 , 07:30 AM
ICM Trainer (pokerstrategy.com) is free and might be enough. I don't need even that as my technique is good enough for me at this time.
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11-27-2017 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout
Thanks for the replies everyone. I decided to go for ICMizer in the end. So I was using it earlier to look at some spots that I got involved in in some $2.50 180 man Turbos. I found the following a bit surprising:


So it's saying that in this spot a huge number of hands are going to be good to shove. Now presumably this is dictated by GTO calling ranges as someone said above. The thing is at $2.50 levels the opponents are not going to be playing perfectly. I certainly wouldn't be confident shoving 53s in this spot. I suspect that I'll need to make the calling ranges wider across the board.


Can anyone recommend any good adjustments to make for playing at these limits and is there a way to save them so that it's not going to revert back to GTO every time?

In that situation at icm it says that it is profitable but it is clearly a fold, the position and just check the small edge that it shows that is microscopic I mean that should be at least 0.1 not 0.03.
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