So usually this kind of hand wouldn't dig under my nails, but it impacted my game( for the better).

So I I'm in the process of a table switch when I sit down to a 3x chip stacked table. I'm in the cut off with around 15-18 minutes till break. There are 2 regs that I've played with multiple times and 1-2 players I've seen played a few hands. So not so familiar range wise, but feel confident with my initial glance reads/ranges. It goes check/bet fold for about 7 minutes till a player goes all in calls, bust and rebuys, 2 seats before me. I get pocket QQs the hand after,raise, get 2 callers, flop comes raised and took down the pot. I look down at A5d in middle position after b/c/r/f, I glance at the table and see weakness. So I raise, 3 players call. Flop comes AsAh6c, it get checked to me, I bet 60% pot and I get a call from the bottom rest fold(only player that might have had a decent hand). Turn comes AsAh6c 3c, I check thinking he will fold if I bet and if he does I would trap, he puts out a 25% pot bet which sets of alarms(players leave for break) I call.river come the "7s" I check and he raises to 70% pot. I "tank" for 8 seconds, re-raise all in, I raised thinking he would fold with anything less than a pocket pair, but could have 10s or jjs. Was positive he didn't have an ace, he tanks for 10 seconds and calls, shows pocket 66s for the full house.


Now I up in the air in my mind weather it was a badly played hand. Knowing he had 66 says yeah it was, maybe a bit rushed decision. If anyone could give any input on this spot, I have made slot of these decisions in the same poker room for profit
But this hand made me reevaluate the value of my tournament play. If I folded I would have been In a great spot. Unfortunately I lost.

Post replies below. I know I'm not within my bankroll playing the way I play and in the games I play. For me there is no other way to play the game, if you know What I mean.

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I don't understand your thought process on the river. When you x/r there you are only getting called by better hands and folding worse ones. You even said you were positive he didn't have an Ace, which means the better hands in his range are boats. He's not folding a boat when there are virtually no boats in your range (only A3/A5/77 beat him). However, he will realize that your range includes lots of trip Aces and perhaps even some pairs trying to push him off a better hand.

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You basically took yourself to valuetown.
Once he bets on the river, by your own admission he isnt there without a good hand, that has to make you think he is betting for value.

Based on that read, why raise, or shove?

Any hand that calls most likely has you beat.

My thought process was he seemed weaker pre-flop, he value bet thinking I would fold the same to a small bet as a big bet. But that he didn't have anything with the inadvertently disdainful look as I called and he bet. So he would have only done the same with pps10s+ so I was good with the reads. Not saying they were right after.

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He showed vert weakness(meaning he "could" fold) by that time I had lost 70% of my stack and if I folded would be in a bad spot anyway and right after reading-buy cap. Plus I knew he didn't have an ace so pocket pairs10s+ would be the range. So a shove would be the only option to get a fold if I was beat.

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This is the problem. Your entire analysis of the hand is based on live reads with no range analysis: you're positive he didn't have an Ace, he "seemed weaker," he had a "disdainful look on his face" when you called. This isn't a Hollywood movie, man.

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Well if you look at it this way I admit it was not mathematically sound move. Especially sense I had a5 preflop with 3 callers. So at that I did like rounders though man.

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So I guess the main question is when does a tell overide cold math and position? Or is that an unfair question that is position based?

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You have to look at it that way. You will not be successful at poker playing purely by feel and tells. That might be how Doyle and other old-timers played 30 years ago, but poker has evolved just a bit since then.

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Tells don't override math, you factor the tells into your analysis. For example a preflop tell might help you narrow your opponent's range, but you're still basing your decisions on range analysis. Or you might get to the river and put your opponent on a certain range, but you have a read that this opponent doesn't like committing chips without the nuts and the board is very threatening to his range, so shoving over his bet will force him to fold a high % of the time. Still a mathematical decision but one that incorporates your read.

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Fair, so how would you have played the hand. Given you would have raised pre-flop.

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I would check the flop because betting looks very strong against 2 players and will fold most worse hands. You might get called by the few worse Aces and perhaps a middle pair but everything else worse will fold.

As you played it I would x/c the turn as you did but also x/c the river. There is zero value to x/raising the river.

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Well if he was weak post-flop he wouldn't have 66s 33s or the 7 on the river so either I was wrong and he had Aj+ or 2nd over pair to the board. So all in reality raise would show strength and make a possible fold or call and I show winner.

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I mean, he didn't seem weak. But didn't show he had and ace. So he was strong but didn't have range for the board. So that would mean pocket pair or he thinks I'm totally full of it with the raise. The fact that he wanted to fold was my flip switch to break his bet. After I went all in they rushed it after about 10 secs. Him tanking even for that long shows he had an impression of more then just the ace, during turn also. I don't mean "acting" like he wanted to fold either. It was "during break" we both showed strength.

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Then i think he slow rolled you.

In that spot, if i got raised on the river with bottom boat i call pretty quick, if i lose, i lose, cause with that board, what other than weird A × boats do i lose to?

Maybe 7s full, but thats just getting lucky.

Yeah, got a good point.. He beat 92% of my range post-flop.

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lol someone cant "raise 70% of pot" if you check to him, there has to be a bet in order for there to be a raise.

he called your pre flop bet
then he called your flop bet with a fairly polarized board
bets out on river when you check
bets flop when you check

and youre surprised you lost? damn id love to play against you. what did you even think he had after he called your preflop bet and bet on the AA6 flop?

A2? Maybe 44-88s? As they hand played I hoped for Ax hands

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Given the preflop action, your ranging your opponents wrong. I don’t think any weak Aces like Ace 2 would have called. I would say maybe AJ-AQ, sometimes AK might just call.

After the flop bet and call, your entire opponents range has you crushed. It’s unlikely his hand contains any bluffs. Any Ace you had beat Pre would have folded.

River, is 100% value. I’m not sure why you called, let alone raised. I think your opponent would check any pocket pairs on the river that you beat.

My exact read was 88s or 99s, didn't think he had and ace. Would be very unlikely the way he played AQ earlier. You looked too strong for an ace and too weak(hesitant of my raise) for full boat. But I knew if he had me beat, he had me beat on the flop. So that said, he would either have 66s 99s 10s or a pure bluff. The way I was playing, he could of read as KQo("18%"any bluff) trying to rep and ace.

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