Hello everybody,
could someone comment on the following hand. Basically I was trying to represent made flush - hand like AQhh, AJhh, AThh - using the fact that opponent does not have those hands as he could often 3-bet with them on the preflop. His range on the river includes sets[33,77,88,99], two pairs[98, 87], busted draws with clubs[ AXcc ], made flushes[QJhh, QThh, JThh, T9hh, Axhh].

PokerStars - 10/20 Ante 3 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 69.95 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 67.45 BB (VPIP: 63.64, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG+1: 77 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP: 52 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 52)
MP+1: 71.45 BB (VPIP: 21.60, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 126)
MP+2: 71.45 BB (VPIP: 7.30, PFR: 2.92, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 141)
Hero (CO): 109.05 BB
BTN: 86.75 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 69.9 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has 6 J

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (11.85 BB, 2 players) 9 3 8
Hero bets 3.9 BB, BTN calls 3.9 BB

Turn: (19.65 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 14.75 BB, BTN calls 14.75 BB

River: (49.15 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 36.85 BB, BTN raises to 63.95 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 122.85 BB

Fold pre
J6s sucks to isolate . Develop a good ISO range off-table...

AP , open fold turn (??)
You can check/Call turn for >1/2 por bet (dirty outs) and check/fold river unimproved

i think that iso is fine, the original limper's PFR/VPIP is 50, meaning that he plays a ton of hands. he could fold preflop, as he did or on the flop when we bet 1/3 of the pot.

If villain is playing a wide range the answer is to trap and value bet, not widen your range and isolate with crap. Fold pre.

This is a terrible spot for a triple barrel bluff. You're trying to represent exactly one type of hand when your opponent could easily have a strong enough range to call/raise. He could easily have the heart flush himself here. First, you don't block hearts at all. Second, he flatted your 4bb iso raise on the BTN so he definitely has Axhh and combos like QJhh/QThh/JThh etc in his range.

statistically he has ~same amount of combos in his AXcc, KXcc, QXcc sub-range and AXhh, KXhh, QXhh subrange so I wouldn't apply term "easily" here, rather "50% of the time he could have hearts flush himself".

I would imagine that you have enough better bluffs otr to give this up. I think your bluffing freq might be too high in this spot. Wether it’s good to deviate or not, I think you should be mindful of this. Would bet ott though. Oh and fold pre would be my line unless button&blinds are bad/nits AND you have specific plan to exploit mp1’s tendencies.

Regardless the point is a bluff is much less likely to succeed when villain has all the strong hands in his range.

To elaborate a bit: I would limit bigger sizings mostly to flushes and bluffs that block them otr. (Polarised range)

If I were to bluff this combo, it would be to smaller sizing so I’d have sets,straights too. Bigger VR=we get to bluff more, obviously.

I’m interested to hear your betting strategies otr. I’m slightly unsure how many value c/r one should have here as opposed to just barreling big/overbetting.

this is the worst attempt of representing flush on river imho. It rather screams that you have nothing than flush. Not to mention that villain is very likely to have been chasing flush draw.
Anyway fold pre is better, and playing less aggressive on streets with such hand is also preferable

Iso from CO with J6s wtf are you talking !
V is limping between 10-20% ( without checking software i'd say 22-77 A2s-A8s A5o-A9o 76s-T9s QTo JTo ) . Check your equity vs that range

It's spew , pure and simple

ok, thanks everyone, i got the picture - pure spewing preflop and terrible, the worst ever bluffing attempt.
appreciate that you aren't trying to sugarcoat, love this forum

yeah, if i had J that would make more sense to bluff.

wait a sec, how did you came up with this limping range? A lot of those hands most certainly raise preflop with 70BB from MP.

Sure but it’s gonna have to be entirely different combo w/ Jh; you wouldn’t play J6o here, would you? Ofc you know this and I’m splitting hairs but what ever.

[PHP][/PHP] V has 9% PFR and 21% VPIP
I'm working , cannot check equilab/flopzilla...

Mee too , I have learned in this forum more in one year than in all of poker books I have read

I get "punished" every time I post and that's good ! The more you are trashed the less you forget what you have learned

Do you think that VPIP - PFR = % of Limping?