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10-10-2017 , 06:11 PM
Kinda weird spot multiway early in a bounty builder. MP1 and MP3 are both very spewy and from experience, the pot sized bet on the flop is very often a weak top pair or a draw. Folding flop given the price and our equity feels bad, and shoving with only a backdoor flushdraw and an open-ender is guaranteed to have at best 35% equity.

On the turn I decided to donk-shove to maximize fold equity since we are never folding either way, which I doubt is a great move since villain still called with the weak queen and the king does not really hit our flop calling range. Is it better to check and hope to see a free river while calling if villain shoves?

    Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (45/90 blinds, 14 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37846454

    UTG+1: 11,349 (126.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 3,672 (40.8 bb)
    MP1: 4,538 (50.4 bb)
    MP2: 6,312 (70.1 bb)
    MP3: 3,403 (37.8 bb)
    CO: 16,731 (185.9 bb)
    BTN: 4,535 (50.4 bb)
    SB: 8,233 (91.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 4,000 (44.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 5
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 180, MP1 calls 180, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 180, 2 folds, SB calls 135, Hero calls 90

    Flop: (1,026) 4 3 Q (5 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets 1,026, MP3 calls 1,026, SB folds, Hero calls 1,026, UTG+2 folds

    Turn: (4,104) K (3 players)
    Hero bets 2,780 and is all-in, MP1 calls 2,780, MP3 folds

    River: (9,664) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 9,664 pot
    Final Board: 4 3 Q K 2
    MP1 showed Q 8 and lost (-4,000 net)
    MP3 mucked and lost (-1,220 net)
    Hero showed 6 5 and won 9,664 (5,664 net)



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    10-11-2017 , 12:31 AM
    Fold the flop.
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    10-11-2017 , 07:26 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by killer_kill
    Fold the flop.
    agree 3 - 1 is not enough to peel oop with minimal implied odds
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    10-11-2017 , 08:32 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wowsooooted
    agree 3 - 1 is not enough to peel oop with minimal implied odds
    Also agree. If you were 100bb effective it would be a different story.

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    10-11-2017 , 09:01 AM
    Can one of you guys explain this a bit please. If on the flop the pot odds were 25%, (after a raise and then a call), and with 8 outs he had about 32% chance, why he should have bee folding? Thanks
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    10-11-2017 , 11:23 AM
    32% is the odds of completing the straight by the river but given the action it won't be easy for villain to get to the river. Calling off 25% of his stack with a 16% chance to complete his straight on the next card isn't worth it.

    If hero had 100bb effective then the implied odds could justify the call even when he isn't getting the direct odds.

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    10-12-2017 , 07:19 AM
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    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
    32% is the odds of completing the straight by the river but given the action it won't be easy for villain to get to the river. Calling off 25% of his stack with a 16% chance to complete his straight on the next card isn't worth it.

    If hero had 100bb effective then the implied odds could justify the call even when he isn't getting the direct odds.

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    Thanks a lot, it makes sense now!
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