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06-05-2019 , 11:41 AM
Do we like flatting here preflop

Do we like the flop float?

Do we like the cold call on the turn as opposed to rasing?

What to do on the river?

partypoker - 800/1600 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 332,733 (VPIP: 32.31, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 65)
BTN: 142,266 (VPIP: 26.76, PFR: 20.42, 3Bet Preflop: 7.58, Hands: 144)
SB: 31,115 (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 53,212 (VPIP: 20.44, PFR: 17.52, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 138)
UTG: 46,291 (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (UTG+1): 98,218
MP: 3,476 (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 64)
MP+1: 42,809 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)

8 players post ante of 200, SB posts SB 800, BB posts BB 1,600

Pre Flop: (pot: 4,000) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to 3,200, Hero calls 3,200, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (10,400, 2 players) 8 J 9
UTG bets 5,720, Hero calls 5,720

Turn: (21,840, 2 players) A
UTG bets 12,012, Hero calls 12,012

River: (45,864, 2 players) 7
UTG bets 25,159 and is all-in, Hero?
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06-05-2019 , 10:13 PM
exactly nothing has changed from the turn to the river. You called the turn so yes you call the river.
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06-10-2019 , 12:21 PM
You have to so some work before post an HH... The advice will not help you at all if you don't analyze your hands
This HH is the perfect example. Open Equilab/Flopzilla and narrow a UTG range that fire 3 streets OOP for yourself and you see that this is a really easy fold on river, maybe you can release on the turn bet if you think this player is not capable of bluffing
Good luck in your findings

PD: a little advance, your hand doesn't beat anything in villains range ( maybe a super overplayed KQs or weardly played KK)
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06-10-2019 , 06:58 PM
Easy fold. The ace on the turn gave us a bit of courage but if villains triple barrels on such a wet board we never win this pot

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06-10-2019 , 07:00 PM
Btw, I like floating against loose players because we have 4 gutshot outs and other 10 heart cards which can give us a good pot equity to call another barrel

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06-10-2019 , 10:57 PM
Not sure I like the flop float.. utg should have a strong and narrow range here, we should have less floats vs this range then someone starting the hand with a much wider range.. because its much easier to float and take the pot away on a future street, ie: bvb in position are much better float candidates than utg v utg+1

We also have some dirty outs as an A,Q won't always give us the best hand and we don't like holding the Qh as it cuts down the number of his semibluffing combos. Also if we hit our best card with the T for a gutty its super obvious as we have alot of Qx in our range so we shouldn't get paid off very often when we hit it
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06-12-2019 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Pouled
You have to so some work before post an HH... The advice will not help you at all if you don't analyze your hands
This HH is the perfect example. Open Equilab/Flopzilla and narrow a UTG range that fire 3 streets OOP for yourself and you see that this is a really easy fold on river, maybe you can release on the turn bet if you think this player is not capable of bluffing
Good luck in your findings

PD: a little advance, your hand doesn't beat anything in villains range ( maybe a super overplayed KQs or weardly played KK)
Would you mind explaining how to go about doing this. I really suck at utilizing the software i own

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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
Not sure I like the flop float.. utg should have a strong and narrow range here, we should have less floats vs this range then someone starting the hand with a much wider range.. because its much easier to float and take the pot away on a future street, ie: bvb in position are much better float candidates than utg v utg+1

We also have some dirty outs as an A,Q won't always give us the best hand and we don't like holding the Qh as it cuts down the number of his semibluffing combos. Also if we hit our best card with the T for a gutty its super obvious as we have alot of Qx in our range so we shouldn't get paid off very often when we hit it
Great feedback, thanks... I didnt used to float this wide but have found my lack of floating to be a leak but yes i should not float against a narrow preflop range

While you say the Qh blocks him having flush draws which i get but doesn't it have value for us since we can pick up flush draws on the turn?
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06-12-2019 , 03:25 PM
Never flatting AQo pre in that spot. I would 3b for value, or fold against a tighter opponent.
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06-12-2019 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
Never flatting AQo pre in that spot. I would 3b for value, or fold against a tighter opponent.
This is pretty interesting stuff (at least for me)

Can you elaborate a little bit more?

Just for curiosity i Flopzilled AQ vs (AA-55,AKo-AQo,KQo,AKs-AJs,KQs-KJs) (not sure i am assigning him a too much wide range); we hit top pair or better 34% and we are playing IP...is it not worth to call and see the flop?

I know i am missing a lot of stuff here (we can get squeezed and/or probably some late position guy + the blinds will come along) but even with this problems do we still fold this poweful hand?
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06-13-2019 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by miguelin43
This is pretty interesting stuff (at least for me)

Can you elaborate a little bit more?

Just for curiosity i Flopzilled AQ vs (AA-55,AKo-AQo,KQo,AKs-AJs,KQs-KJs) (not sure i am assigning him a too much wide range); we hit top pair or better 34% and we are playing IP...is it not worth to call and see the flop?

I know i am missing a lot of stuff here (we can get squeezed and/or probably some late position guy + the blinds will come along) but even with this problems do we still fold this poweful hand?
I have been starting to fold AJ in a spot like this but AQ seems too nitty IMO
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06-13-2019 , 04:02 PM
Like I said, I would only fold against a tight opponent with a strong range there. The more important part of what I said is raising for value rather than calling. There are two strong reasons not to flat AQ there:

1) High risk of a multiway pot and AQo will not play well multiway. In a multiway pot you will likely be out of position too.

2) Risk of getting squeezed behind. That will likely only come from a strong range given the strength of your early ranges, so then you risk playing AQo in a bloated pot possibly out of position.

Flatting AQ there will lead to many uncomfortable and potentially expensive postflop spots. Even if you flop Axx and villain keeps firing, will you feel confident? What about on a Q-high flop?
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06-14-2019 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ThePokerBot
While you say the Qh blocks him having flush draws which i get but doesn't it have value for us since we can pick up flush draws on the turn?
I guess its a combo of both but you have to remember the chance of going runner runner and having the best hand is still very small % I think it adds like 4% equity (someone correct plz if this is wrong), but even still if it goes heart heart we are still not guarenteed to have the best hand here, we don't hold an Ace or King of hearts. Its much better to have backdoor outs when you have betting initaitive, because then you have two ways to win, opponent folding or you making your hand, so id be looking at backdoor equity more if I was utg raiser instead of caller.

But having the Qh blocks KQh which I guess is the main value target to float and take it away on future streets and by removing his main semi-bluff candidate it makes him slightly more made hand heavy which is why I proly just muck otf
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