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07-24-2021 , 04:28 AM
Ignition - 10/20 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (MP): 499.95 BB
MP+1: 499.95 BB
CO: 510.95 BB
BTN: 498.45 BB
SB: 498.95 BB
BB: 499.95 BB
UTG: 499.95 BB
UTG+1: 491.45 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kh Kc
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) CO has 7c Qc
fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, MP+1 calls 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, fold, SB calls 3 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 2.5 BB

Flop : (18.5 BB, 5 players) 2h 3h 7s
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 6 BB, fold, CO raises to 36.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 128 BB, CO raises to 507.45 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 368.45 BB and is all-in

Turn : (1011.4 BB, 2 players) 2d

River : (1011.4 BB, 2 players) 9h

Hero shows Kh Kc (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)
(Pre 84%, Flop 83%, Turn 95%)

CO shows 7c Qc (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
(Pre 16%, Flop 17%, Turn 5%)

Hero wins 1011.4 BB


500BB is a lot get in with one pair, and V should have more small pairs, and thus sets, than I do. So I'm wondering if I just got lucky here, or if this was pretty standard. (No stats on any players, third hand of the tournament)
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07-24-2021 , 04:19 PM
I'd iso bigger at this stack depth and this blind level. I'd also just check the flop esp since you have a heart too. When you get raised to a size like that what're you hoping to accomplish by reraising? What do you expect them to show up with? It seems when CO raises a player who's betting in to 4 players their range is pretty nutted even if they show up with some garbage here in this spot. Also you shouldn't have a 3b range on this flop at this stack depth either, just flat your continue range.
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07-24-2021 , 06:12 PM
That’s kind of what I thought after the fact. Thanks for the thoughts.


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07-24-2021 , 08:58 PM
Could consider raising slightly bigger with a limper in and so many left to act behind (and in early stages, with [likely] lots of fishier players). Just a little......like maybe 4x.

Otherwise flop does feel a little spewy; I probably just call down [other than maybe on the most exceptionally awful boards] from the first raise.

btw--I'd suggest not posting villain's cards in HH; may bias responses.
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07-24-2021 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
When you get raised to a size like that what're you hoping to accomplish by reraising? What do you expect them to show up with?
Sorry I forgot to answer this. Honestly, the only thing I put them on was a heart draw that was getting fancy. But that fell apart when they jammed.

Basically I played the hand horribly and got lucky. :/


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07-26-2021 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by I_lose
Basically I played the hand horribly and got lucky. :/

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It totally depends on the opponent/tournament. They obviously shouldn't be raise/stacking off 7x or 99 here which is why people want to call down.

However, there are plenty of people that will just get it in here with A7 and all overpairs in which case getting it in now before a bad turn comes and kills your action is a pretty appealing situation.

If its a microstakes tournament and/or your opponent is a losing player then
I think you played it fine - very unlikely they are going to be randomly bluffing here and more likely they'll have sets, flushdraws or overpairs/7x,

We are 60% vs a range of sets, 88,99,A7s and A5hh A4hh. Don't need him to be overplaying many hands before it becomes a profitable spot.
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07-26-2021 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
It totally depends on the opponent/tournament.

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If its a microstakes tournament and/or your opponent is a losing player then
I think you played it fine - very unlikely they are going to be randomly bluffing here and more likely they'll have sets, flushdraws or overpairs/7x,

We are 60% vs a range of sets, 88,99,A7s and A5hh A4hh. Don't need him to be overplaying many hands before it becomes a profitable spot.
Low stakes, but not micro. (I don't think. Not sure where the line is.) It was a $15 tourney.

Thank you. I feel a bit better knowing it wasn't a total mistake.
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07-26-2021 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
It totally depends on the opponent/tournament. They obviously shouldn't be raise/stacking off 7x or 99 here which is why people want to call down.

However, there are plenty of people that will just get it in here with A7 and all overpairs in which case getting it in now before a bad turn comes and kills your action is a pretty appealing situation.

If its a microstakes tournament and/or your opponent is a losing player then
I think you played it fine - very unlikely they are going to be randomly bluffing here and more likely they'll have sets, flushdraws or overpairs/7x,

We are 60% vs a range of sets, 88,99,A7s and A5hh A4hh. Don't need him to be overplaying many hands before it becomes a profitable spot.
It's never profitable to get 500 blinds in with one pair. I don't even know what is considered a bad turn either. I guess an ace? If you think people have 7x here often enough to get it in then you're prob leaking.
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07-26-2021 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by I_lose
Low stakes, but not micro. (I don't think. Not sure where the line is.) It was a $15 tourney.

Thank you. I feel a bit better knowing it wasn't a total mistake.
15 on acr is closer to mid stakes since re-entries. 15 is low stakes as a freeze out tho.
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07-26-2021 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
It's never profitable to get 500 blinds in with one pair. I don't even know what is considered a bad turn either. I guess an ace? If you think people have 7x here often enough to get it in then you're prob leaking.
You are trolling now right?

CO shows 7c Qc (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
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07-26-2021 , 04:43 PM
At these blind levels, against these fields, I would go at least 10x pre with your whole raising range against a limper. No one is limping for 20 with an 88k stack and then not seeing the flop for 200 and you will never isolate him for 3.5x. You can even go bigger. On the flop, I think you should call the raise, then make him bet turn and river before you consider folding. In this example, he may bet turn with q7 but he would never bet river with q7 unless he improves, so you could easily fold.
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07-26-2021 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
You are trolling now right?

CO shows 7c Qc (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
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often enough
Are you bro? Literally should never have a 500bb range that gets it in on the flop lol.
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07-28-2021 , 06:40 AM
Most people would slow play their sets, right ?
By "slow", I mean at least not 3betting 35BB OTF...

So if you discount sets, V range is very FD and overpairs heavy actually...

I don't know if "too agressive to be nutted" is a relyable read or not...
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