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05-20-2018 , 12:09 AM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 2,000/4,000 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 9.92 BB (VPIP: 13.43, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 67)
UTG+1: 8.65 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: 18.32 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 12.33 BB (VPIP: 17.26, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 6.72, Hands: 346)
CO: 39.41 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 23.53 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 33)
SB: 18.25 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (BB): 19.02 BB

8 players post ante of 0 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has K J

fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (5.3 BB, 2 players) Q K 7
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (5.3 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (5.3 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, MP bets 16.22 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 16.22 BB

Spoiler:
MP shows J T (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 32%, Flop 32%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows K J (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 68%, Flop 68%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 37.75 BB



It's a super tough call for me but as I look at it it should come easy. When we check river, he has to know there's some AK/KJ in our range here, maybe even AA. We are face up, it's a great play w/ AQ/QJ because we never have the Q when we check here and can be fairly inelastic. In fact I probably fold to a 2/3-psb in this spot. He just tried to rep the boat which he would have never checked 2 pair+ on the turn.

I guess the question is, from V standpoint, should we jam our Qx when we get to this spot?
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05-20-2018 , 12:12 AM
I'm not questioning our turn check although I'm not upset if you want to discuss it
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05-20-2018 , 06:50 AM
Don't really get the turn check - tons of value to be had - I'm folding the river absent a read
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05-21-2018 , 12:02 PM
Yeah we should really bet the turn.

Whilst I'm a big fan of overbets in general - I don't think this is a spot for a 3x pot sized jam (especially when most of his Qx bets turn I'd imagine). Villain here is just going FPS here imo.

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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT
When we check river, he has to know there's some AK/KJ in our range here, maybe even AA. We are face up, it's a great play w/ AQ/QJ because we never have the Q when we check here and can be fairly inelastic.

I guess the question is, from V standpoint, should we jam our Qx when we get to this spot?
Also, I can't say I agree with this. Pretty tough for us to show up with AK and I can't really imagine we'd have too many combos of AA. We can also have tonnes of Qx in our range (although you're right we probably would have bet it on the river when we hit trips).

To answer your question, no, the more I think about it from V's POV the more I hate it.
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05-22-2018 , 02:49 PM
You've shown absolutely no interest in the pot postflop, why would villain overbet jam the river with Qx? Plus your BB defense range is quite wide and doesn't hit that board often.
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05-22-2018 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
Don't really get the turn check - tons of value to be had - I'm folding the river absent a read
I agree
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05-22-2018 , 02:58 PM
Really need to bet turn or river at least
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