This okay to you guys or did I completely screw this one?


PokerStars - 1000/2000 Ante 500 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 21.03 BB
BTN: 12.7 BB
SB: 5.24 BB
BB: 7.52 BB
UTG: 58.11 BB
MP: 4.55 BB

6 players post ante of 0.25 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3 BB) Hero has 5 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 20.78 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 3.45 BB and is all-in

Flop: (27.9 BB, 2 players) 2 7 T

Turn: (27.9 BB, 2 players) K

River: (27.9 BB, 2 players) K

Hero shows 5 5 (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)
(Pre 55%, Flop 75%, Turn 25%)
BTN shows K A (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 45%, Flop 25%, Turn 75%)
BTN wins 27.9 BB

Just open jam pre. 55 is def not the hand to r/jam cause you don't want flatters.

^^^ this ... play the effective stacks.

Snapshove

Ok ^^ Thanks guys.

+1 to shove pre

As played, fold to the 3b. You don't need to flip half your stack with little equity. Open equilab and check your equity vs his range if you don't believe me.

r/f 55 here is pretty much burning money, especially in a HT. We only need sth like 37%, Villain would have to shove incredibly tight for this call to be -ev

Actually raise/folding anything in this stack setup is just a very bad idea.

Hm... How do you see this?
I think we're never folding here if we open, which prob means we should shove.
Only reason for 2xing I believe would be that imo bad players aren't as likely to jam their weakest part of their range, as they are to call with it if we jam. But I might be wrong here.

However. I think we could prob put villain on something like 21% here, against wich we have 49%. Right?
20k into 36k pot? How do you mean we're folding?
Even if we give him 10%, we get around 38%

If you are not folding when you open. , then you have to shove to put pressure in his range and fold many hands that have equity vs you.

If you open here and button shoves ( he is not shoving anywhere near perfect ) you have to fold. His range is stronger than you think because of the shorter stacks behind. Thinking that he shoves 20% here is stupid. He needs to shove weak hands as JTo or A4s for you to make a good call.
55 vs 20%, you have 45%
55 vs 13% ( my suggested range, 66+ A7s+ K9s+ QTs+ JTs AT+ KJo+) you have 42%

In-game, I expect an even tighter range from BUT
Then you fold and protect half your stack. You don't need to flip so many bbs in a hyper turbo.
In another type of tournament, maybe it's a borderline call

Shove if you are calling a shove next time

Sorry, but having 42% makes this an obvious call.
I mean, shoving is obv the better option, but raise/folding is plain terrible, *especially* in a hyperturbo

I agree that shove is better, for sure.

Curious though how you think a hyper makes a call worse and Panny1 for example says the opposite.

A 2x r/c strategy is fine here mostly with the value part of your shoving range if villains are generally strong (capable of reshoving wide) and perceive you as weak (tight shoving range) so if you want to showdown your hand you may induce them committing a wider range then they would vs your shove. That is the only rare case hero should be 2x-ing here.

Ah. .so, what you mean is really a range of like QQ+ and Aqs+, to induce an overshove? Or would you do that with worse part of your range?

Again... we should've shoved.

In the hypothetic case that you want a r/c and r/f range here you have to raise your better hands (like QQ+)and your worse hand (stuff like KTo or the weaker pairs, some suited gappers too like 97s or worse)
55 is in between. So the theory says that you have to shove this hand.

So if you are 2x with 55 here, I'm leaning towards a fold because you are calling half your stack in a flip situation (you are crushed or 55/45).
With a shove you deny equity to villain's range, he will fold a bunch over cards to 55

If you like to.gamble, then you call the shove... Knowing that you lose like 60% of the time

I don't gamble my chips like that. In a hyper, if you had a stack covering the table you can play better and put pressure in other spots.
And i try to don't make breakeven calls in low stakes, because ranges are a lot tighter than a +20 buy in.

If you are calling a shove, then shove yourself .