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06-07-2018 , 06:22 PM
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hi guys i have a question about you..i rarely play mtts so i dont know if its the true move..i dont have stats about my opponenets.. the tour is the big 3.3 and we have left 40 players.. my question is : is this push or i must wait for a better spot. thank you guys.. thank you very much



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.94 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players


SB: 200,073 (16.7 bb)
BB: 726,994 (60.6 bb)
UTG+2: 345,294 (28.8 bb)
MP1: 317,960 (26.5 bb)
Hero (MP2): 161,482 (13.5 bb)
MP3: 626,574 (52.2 bb)
CO: 278,102 (23.2 bb)
BTN: 413,527 (34.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3 3
2 folds,
so hero push or fold?
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06-08-2018 , 02:49 AM
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yes clear shove nh ul
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06-08-2018 , 04:46 AM
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yes clear shove nh ul
really clear?? do you think its a difficult decision?? i think its a close decision because we have left 40.what do you think about this?? and secondly i have another question. If it was good to wait a better spot to put my chips? thank you buddy.i will post the result. have a nice day
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06-08-2018 , 10:00 AM
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really clear?? do you think its a difficult decision?? i think its a close decision because we have left 40.what do you think about this?? and secondly i have another question. If it was good to wait a better spot to put my chips? thank you buddy.i will post the result. have a nice day
Really clear. There really isn't ICM pressure with 40 left if anything people will call even tighter and so this becomes an even better shove.

It Really doesn't matter what he had as there is always the chance of someone having a monster behind you and you should just take this spot as it's good profitable shove.
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06-08-2018 , 01:24 PM
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with 13.5 bb is a clearly shove,because even if someone calls with hands like A7+,or K9s+ you equity is the same.a coin flip in this situation is good for you.
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06-08-2018 , 01:52 PM
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Assuming that your opponents play optimally, shove is the marginal decision. Here is the calibrated solution : http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=kv7bb6kulfuc. The ICM factor is excluded. As you can see the EV of shoving 33 is +0.01 which is really negligible . I would fold and wait for a better hand.
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06-08-2018 , 03:12 PM
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Assuming that your opponents play optimally, shove is the marginal decision. Here is the calibrated solution : http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=kv7bb6kulfuc. The ICM factor is excluded. As you can see the EV of shoving 33 is +0.01 which is really negligible . I would fold and wait for a better hand.
look when i was playing the hand, i m also not sure about if it shoves or not. i knew that it wasnt something clear, for this reason i post the hand..what do you think about other opinion ahead of this?? thank youu
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06-08-2018 , 03:20 PM
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look when i was playing the hand, i m also not sure about if it shoves or not. i knew that its something clear for this reason i post the hand..what do you think about other opinion ahead of this?? thank youu
indeed no one plays the perfect Nash-equilibrium solution and shoving 33 might be OK in particular situations. The negligent +EV is that software tells us about this option. Another option(super passive) is call pre-flop, check if you hit the set OTH and shove, but it's, you know ~12% chance. If choosing between call and shove the latter one is definitely better because it realizes the fold equity. Still I believe fold is OK, but my opinion heavily influenced by using the software.
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06-08-2018 , 03:54 PM
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indeed no one plays the perfect Nash-equilibrium solution and shoving 33 might be OK in particular situations. The negligent +EV is that software tells us about this option. Another option(super passive) is call pre-flop, check if you hit the set OTH and shove, but it's, you know ~12% chance. If choosing between call and shove the latter one is definitely better because it realizes the fold equity. Still I believe fold is OK, but my opinion heavily influenced by using the software.
if i m sure for something it will that the options are 2 shove or fold?? the question that i must have though when i was playing this hand is: can i find a better spot to put my chips and i didnt thought this question. the think that i thought was that the best option was to shove(mathematical according to ev). i uses to play cash games so i dont know good push or fold game...thank mann i will post the result for curiosity.. if i could play this hand again i would fold because i think that i could find a better spot on a tour with 10-12 minutes that the blinds rises.. sooo
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06-08-2018 , 05:00 PM
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really clear?? do you think its a difficult decision?? i think its a close decision because we have left 40.what do you think about this?? and secondly i have another question. If it was good to wait a better spot to put my chips? thank you buddy.i will post the result. have a nice day
I'm going to shove anything that is +cEV and sometimes things that aren't because people call too tight at this stage - ICM factor is small - we need some luck when we shove but we need some luck anyway to get up into the top prizes and waiting for a better spot is often just hoping for a different kind of luck. Result is pretty irrelevant
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06-09-2018 , 05:40 AM
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I'm going to shove anything that is +cEV and sometimes things that aren't because people call too tight at this stage - ICM factor is small - we need some luck when we shove but we need some luck anyway to get up into the top prizes and waiting for a better spot is often just hoping for a different kind of luck. Result is pretty irrelevant
you have rightt thank you have an ice day
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06-09-2018 , 05:43 AM
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the result guyssss


    Poker Stars, $2.94 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37934531

    SB: 200,073 (16.7 bb)
    BB: 726,994 (60.6 bb)
    UTG+2: 345,294 (28.8 bb)
    MP1: 317,960 (26.5 bb)
    Hero (MP2): 161,482 (13.5 bb)
    MP3: 626,574 (52.2 bb)
    CO: 278,102 (23.2 bb)
    BTN: 413,527 (34.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3 3
    2 folds, Hero raises to 160,482 and is all-in, MP3 raises to 625,574 and is all-in, 4 folds

    Flop: (346,964) J T 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (346,964) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (346,964) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 346,964 pot
    Final Board: J T 8 9 3
    Hero showed 3 3 and lost (-161,482 net)
    MP3 showed A Q and won 346,964 (185,482 net)



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