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KK vs. limper KK vs. limper

01-18-2019 , 10:54 AM
PokerStars, $4.90 + $0.60 - Hold'em No Limit - 20,000/40,000 (4,000 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 843,377 (21 bb)
UTG+1: 665,680 (17 bb)
MP: 1,970,933 (49 bb)
MP+1: 856,000 (21 bb)
CO: 1,800,407 (45 bb)
BU: 628,858 (16 bb)
SB: 2,086,752 (52 bb)
BB: 1,217,572 (30 bb)

Pre-Flop: (92,000)
3 players fold, MP+1 calls 40,000, 1 fold, BTN raises to 120,000, 2 players fold, MP+1 calls 80,000

Flop: (332,000) 3 T 4 (2 players)
MP+1 bets 120,000, BTN calls 120,000

Turn: (572,000) 2 (2 players)
MP+1 bets 120,000, BTN raises to 380,000, MP+1 calls 260,000

River: (1,332,000) 8 (2 players)
MP+1 bets 40,000, BTN calls 4,858 (all-in)

I'm interested to know what's the best line to take on the flop. Thanks!
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01-18-2019 , 11:12 AM
I think there's a few mistakes here.

I would rather you talk through your thought process on each street before commenting.

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01-18-2019 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Czech Rays
I think there's a few mistakes here.

I would rather you talk through your thought process on each street before commenting.

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I decided to just call the flop and get the money in on the turn. Don't mind the river :P
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01-18-2019 , 11:51 AM
Ok, so preflop, I would advise never to openlimp anything barring extreme circumstances.

Generally you want to openraise small with a wide range, because people usually overfold (free money), and only 3bet with a very tight range. This means you have to open small with your whole range, even "scary" ones like JJ . Obv, when you have a very aggro player behind you, you need to tighten up substantially.

Obviously there are not many hard and fast rules in poker, but if you are going to openlimp with KK here, it needs to fit in with a an overarching strategy of openlimping with lots of hands, and I struggle to see how this strategy would be profitable.

Once he raises pre, just jam. If he has a strong ace, or medium pair, he will more likely put more money in bad preflop than on the flop. Again, what other hands are you going to play like this in a profitable way?

Flop. Just get it in. You are overcomplicating this hand.
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01-18-2019 , 12:57 PM
^Erm it's KK vs limper - Hero is BTN in this hand

Seems pretty standard OP - doesn't matter hugely whether you call or raise the flop - just as long as you don't fold
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01-18-2019 , 01:51 PM
Classic copy/paste hand

Do your homework bro
Ah, and learn to format a hand. Who is Hero? What is your hand?? I'm trying to figure out if you had the Kc in your hand...
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01-18-2019 , 02:21 PM
I was giving advice to the limper

Blush

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01-18-2019 , 03:16 PM
Jam preflop and increase your stack by ~21% if limper folded to your all in. Base on your 16bbs, I wouldn't get too tricky and risk the chance to get out drawn.

AP: I would jam on the flop.
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01-19-2019 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pouled
Classic copy/paste hand

Do your homework bro
Ah, and learn to format a hand. Who is Hero? What is your hand?? I'm trying to figure out if you had the Kc in your hand...
Sorry, I am on the button holding KK with a club.
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01-19-2019 , 05:53 PM
Trivial jam on the flop.

Why is he donking? To stop you betting, so bet.
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01-19-2019 , 07:23 PM
Would think raise flop makes more sense than raise turn. Especially w Kc

If I flat flop I probably just call down on this board


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01-21-2019 , 11:14 AM
Jam pre or Jam the flop, you dont have the stack to gamble with kings or 'slow roll'

even the limper + blinds + Antes will increase your stack significantly (+15%)
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01-23-2019 , 05:47 AM
jam pre to balance your range? 3x-ing on 16BB screams "top 3% of hands"
jam flop?
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01-23-2019 , 06:04 AM
With only 16bb our chips are going in regardless of what he does so it's just a matter of which street. By not raising the flop you pretty much ensured you were getting him to commit his whole stack. Whether you win or lose the hand ultimately is irrelevant. For your stack size I think you played this well.

FWIW if he checked turn I would have checked behind and let him try to bluff at the river and jammed on him then and if he checked river I would probably put in a small value bet and see if I can get him to call with 2nd or 3rd pair.
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01-23-2019 , 11:54 AM
Nh.
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01-23-2019 , 12:47 PM
Jam preflop. I am jamming with hands like 55/KTs/A8s/AT, so I definitely want my nutted hands AA/KK to be in that range as well.
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