Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr
View Poll Results: where did i screw this hand (multiple choice allowed)
preflop calling
0 0%
leading and not check calling
0 0%
calling w/ a draw after raised
0 0%

07-02-2009 , 02:59 AM
2500 / 5000 / 500 10k guar 12 left....
6 handed
UTG (chip leader 29/25/inf over 100 hands) (150k) raises to 15k
Folds to hero (3rd place) in bb w/ 100k after posting
Kh Qh dealt to hero...

Hero calls (getting 2.5:1) 3betting leaves me committed although i love the idea of shoving the UB nuts.... thoughts or too spewy?

Flop Tc 7h 3h

Hero loses his mind and bets 20k into 35k pot - giving him 3/1 to call AK - anyone like this???

villian shoves all in....

hero pukes... thinking i should have done the internet thing to do and check call??? but instacalls getting 2/1 w/ 38% equity or more w/ just the FD and backdoor str8.

i don't know... i had a feeling of folding this pre too... cuz stealing had been working and tracker said 3 seats to my left folding 100% of blinds to steal...

mathwise i think i'm fine all streets in a vacuum???

can i fold to 70k here and still be in like 6th or 7th place?

i'd really appreciate some input here.... theres like a different way i could go every street i'm wondering whats standard.
KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr Quote
07-02-2009 , 03:23 AM
btw 12th pays 80.... 1st pays 1600 and villain cbet 100% hands too
KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr Quote
07-02-2009 , 03:25 AM
shove pre, check/shove flop as played
KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr Quote
07-02-2009 , 03:26 AM
Preflop is fine. But I think another option would be to shove. Did V raise a lot of hands from utg or was V tighter in that position?

The flop is perfect for crai. You have 85k left in a 35k pot, so a normal cbet is 20k, therefore your shove in neither an overshove nor an undershove. You actually don't mind a call when he has something like 88, b/c you are a favorite.

As played, you get 120 to 65 (almost 2 to 1) odds. The only hand that gives you a worse equity is a set (27%). Even against KK you have 38%. And those are worse case scenarios. V probably has pair (Tx, 99, etc.) and you are 56% to win. So it's an easy call.
KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr Quote
07-02-2009 , 04:20 AM
Tricky spot I'd say.. About your call preflop, I wouldn't blame it at all, you're 3 left to the FT, comfortable 3rd place, there is no such big harm in playing KQs slow here. Of course the problem is it's always a tricky hand to play OOP against an aggressive player, moreover the CL. Still I think I'd prefer the shove here, it may depend on your image and your history with villain. You're 6 handed and he obviously is the type to over-abuse the bubble, so there's a lot of his raising hands he's ready to instafold to a shove imo. Of course you're ready to run into a premium from time to time, but in the other hand, it's a 10k guaranteed, so you might wanna take some risk to hit top 3..

What I don't like here is the bet preflop.. A little more than half a pot in a board with a 2-flush, you're telling him that you have a draw, and you wanna take it down right now. He knows you would probably shove or check-shove any overpair in order to deny him the odds to draw his flush, if you were affraid of the hearts. So basically, if I'm villain, I'm thinking that you're making a weakish bet to push me out or, see a cheap turn if called + create a fairly. The problem is you're not even representing a pair at all, so if he's got a mid pp, he probably figures he's good. The check-call's a slightly better option, but you're still giving away too clearly that you have a big draw.. My first choice here would be a shove rather than a check-shove, the problem being that the check-shove will have him commit some more chips to the pot, and if he has read your hand well, he will have the odds to call with AJ-AK. So just to sum up things a little bit, you know you're in a race situation most of the time, so you have to take advantage of the little FE you may have to make the hand profitable. All that said, playing the hand passively (bet-fold to shove/check-call) is probably the best choice ICM-wise, but there it only depends on what your own priority is, how much your bankroll needs the extra X hundreds from a 4-7 place, etc..

Just my point of view of course, anyone feel free to prove me wrong! ^^
KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr Quote
07-02-2009 , 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinKaLon
All that said, playing the hand passively (bet-fold to shove/check-call) is probably the best choice ICM-wise, but there it only depends on what your own priority is, how much your bankroll needs the extra X hundreds from a 4-7 place, etc..
b/f is not a good option, b/c we get good odds to call his shove, unless he has a set. c/c is not a good option, b/c our equity is bigger on the flop than on the turn, so we should get it in now. I also doubt that he'll call a crai with AK, at least he folds it some % of the time, which would be good for us obv.
KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr Quote
07-02-2009 , 09:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chh
shove pre, check/shove flop as played
+1
KhQh in BB - FT bubble play vs utg chip ldr Quote

      
m