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09-23-2019 , 06:10 AM

mayonnaise1

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blinds 3500-7000

BU open to 14k (800k)
hero on BB A3hh (250k) calls

flop A33hcc (33k)
hero X
BU bets 147000
Hero calls

TURN: Th
Hero x
BU bets 42220
hero calls

river 6s

BU bets 49080 into 150k

i didnt 3bet preflop because this players is pretty sticky and it will be difficult to face him oop with a hand with bad realizability , its kinda late stage in the tourny who runs slow and i think i can get value from hitting an ace and let him fire for 1\2 strts

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09-24-2019 , 12:31 AM

killer_kill

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Why didn't you 3b preflop?

Also may wanna check the deck since there's 2 Ah in the deck.

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09-24-2019 , 12:45 AM

HUHandEH

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Should be a fold, Should come down to range.

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09-24-2019 , 01:18 AM

nonsimplesimon

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I wouldn't fold. I'm just not that good. Sorry.

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09-27-2019 , 09:26 PM

mayonnaise1

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

Why didn't you 3b preflop?

Also may wanna check the deck since there's 2 Ah in the deck.

lol cch- anyway would you 3bet to 43-46 and fold to jam? or should i go bigger\smaller since im the BB

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Originally Posted by HUHandEH

Should be a fold, Should come down to range.

THX

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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon

I wouldn't fold. I'm just not that good. Sorry.

me to

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09-28-2019 , 01:20 AM

killer_kill

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Yeah like 45k/fold is a good amount to aim for approx.

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09-28-2019 , 09:11 AM

streetwalkincheeta

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Yeah A3s is a good call pre, would bluff with worse hands.

I don't assume you're questioning any call postflop and shove river.

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10-01-2019 , 05:19 AM

Imposterous

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Perfect hand and stack size for a flat. As you say it’s only worth 3 betting your value hands against an opponent who is sticky and doesn’t fold much to 3 bets.

When you do have value against that type of opponent size up, I.e 3 bet 3.5x and more out of blinds or with limpets.

But you flopped the world so what really is the point of this hand?

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10-02-2019 , 10:35 PM

YasielPuig

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Pre Just 3bet or fold at this stack debth.

Post flop try to stack his ass you got a boat ��*♀️

Just check raise flop and get it in. He isn’t going to barrel this type of board often.

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10-03-2019 , 12:31 AM

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killer_kill

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What bluffs do we have to c/r the flop? What other value hands do we have besides this and weird 3x hands to make villain wanna peel flop? We literally block every value hand versus an uncapped range so I'm not sure why we're worried or what we expect to stack. We remove so many AK combos etc. How do you balance this c/r?

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10-03-2019 , 12:31 AM

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killer_kill

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Are we c/r QJcc here or **** that has backdoor realized equity too? So we can barrel off on more turns and have some bluffs in our range?

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11-05-2019 , 07:28 PM

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mayonnaise1

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

i also find it really hard to balance there , and i think that without any special dynamic this stage of a tourny its wrong now

thanks for the commenys guys

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11-10-2019 , 07:32 PM

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Theagent77

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how about check/shoving OTR? We might represent a busted flush draw.

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11-10-2019 , 08:59 PM

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Empathy240

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Call or 3! either or is fine you can find pivoting points depending on other factors such as villain stats/tendencies

And wtf are u doing OTR u lose to 1 combo of aces and 3 combos of TT maybe

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11-10-2019 , 09:01 PM

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Empathy240

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Originally Posted by YasielPuig

Pre Just 3bet or fold at this stack debth.

Post flop try to stack his ass you got a boat ��*♀️

Just check raise flop and get it in. He isn’t going to barrel this type of board often.

Sorry but this is bad (first 2 points)

This is probably true at these limits

I mean vs rlly fishy opp. we cud xraise flop and GII, but i feel in MTT"s ppl will barrel this board more then cash games and in theory they shud

Last edited by Empathy240; 11-10-2019 at 09:10 PM.

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11-11-2019 , 12:09 AM

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killer_kill

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Originally Posted by Empathy240

We have a lot more 3x hands than villain so why would they just barrel more? Also please use refrain from "rlly, shud, cud" in posts. It's difficult to read. Slang is fine but logical slang is pref like x/r or c/c or 3b etc.

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11-11-2019 , 10:15 AM

#17

Pouled

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Having 2 combos of A3s, 2 combos of K3s and 2 combos of 43s doesn't mean that we have a nut advantage here
Realistically, what other 3x combo can we have?

So, yeah, you have to find bluffs with back door equity if you go for the x/r route.
C/c flop and go from there. Fishy villains will barrel a lot on these boards

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11-11-2019 , 10:42 PM

#18

Empathy240

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

Thats a valid point.

But still in relation to our overall range

How is "rlly" not logical? You know what im trying to say anyway

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11-12-2019 , 12:38 AM

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killer_kill

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Fair enough lol.

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11-13-2019 , 06:22 AM

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Corpsey

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I take it villain's sizing on the flop wasn't actually 147k, but rather 14.7k?

Probably getting this one in on the turn as we're likely going to be wanting to check/shove some bluffs on this street.

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