https://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/#kuPFnM

apologies my HM2 has stopped working properly and can't get the full HH but set up is

FT 20 Euro

prizes
1018
816
571
381
245

HJ-21BB folds
CO 8BB folds
BTN 11BB folds
SB 30BB shoves
Hero BB - 14.5BB AJo

V is playing very LAG exploiting chiplead - two shortest stacks have been playing v tight - previous 3 times it has been folded to V in small blind he has shoved - I think may genuinely be shoving atc here (correctly)

ICMizer has this as a -$6.50 call- but I wonder if it is justified to gamble here? - as we are struggling to realise our equity given how heavily V is exploiting the ICM situation and how at least 2 of the players seem to be playing just to ladder - if we win we have CL and can start to exploit ourselves.

I never used ICM calcs but I'm curious how it factors in opponents ability and your ability as that can sway things dramatically.

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I mean obviously ICM can't take that sort of thing onto consideration - FWIW the two shortstacks both look over-tight but the problem I have is that I can't use any edge I might have over them because of the LAG bigstack

Which is exactly why I refuse to let someone pump me so hard here.

To look at it a different way, if you were villain... would you want 3rd biggest stack to keep folding AJ here?

I would call with a lot wider. A9+ ..as well as good kings queens with good kickers

Disclaimer: i play a pretty ego centric type of pOKER, these pay jumps don’t bother me so much, and I’ve rarely investigated ICM

Well it’s not EXACTLY why. But if we allow this to happen for much longer ...sure we *may* ladder up a few spots, but our chance to win is close to gone

True - but if you were any of the other players you would be cheering me on to call