Sorry for these **** questions but I only know how to use the ICM tools on final tables, can someone come up with an answer on this spot ? I felt like A5s was too strong and blinds were to big to let this spot go. All comments apreciated. It's a hyper btw.
a couple of things..
- ICM is only applicable on the final table.
- You mentioned A5s is "too strong to fold", but let's assume that CO or BB jam with any Ace-x and check equity of A5s versus this range. It's 42%.
- I would fold.
a couple of things..
- ICM is only applicable on the final table.
- You mentioned A5s is "too strong to fold", but let's assume that CO or BB jam with any Ace-x and check equity of A5s versus this range. It's 42%.
- I would fold.
1: Do you mean ICM calculations are only possible in final tables ? or are you saying we should neglect ICM outside final tables?
2: I honestly dont think at my stakes CO is jamming any Ax
Using your logic, I think you forget the times everyone folds. I think ICM must change our range a bit in this spot because if there is no ICM, A5s is a shove 100% of the time with 10 BBs from my position.
1: Do you mean ICM calculations are only possible in final tables ? or are you saying we should neglect ICM outside final tables?
2: I honestly dont think at my stakes CO or BB are jamming any Ax
1. EV outside of the FT is measured in chips(no ICM). EV on the FT is measured in % of the prize pool(ICM).
2. Okay. Anyways if you say that A5s is too strong then it's reasonable to ask - against what range? For example, what do you think BB calls AI with?
1. EV outside of the FT is measured in chips(no ICM). EV on the FT is measured in % of the prize pool(ICM).
2. Okay. Anyways if you say that A5s is too strong then it's reasonable to ask - against what range? For example, what do you think BB calls AI with?
I think he's calling 40% even tho he should clearly call more.
then just install HRC and put the hand history into it. I'm done here.
HRC doesnt take into account ICM aproaching final table bubble. I repeat, 19 players left, and you post my Eq vs BB when called like it means something, you proceed with dl HRC and end with Im done here <= If you dont know the answer, dont post. As simple as that.
Completely disagree with this. There is ICM at every point in a tournament (as long as it’s not winner-takes-all) whether it be on the FT or in the first hand. ICM effects are generally the greatest on or around FT and on the direct money bubble. It’s just that the effects of ICM in the early stages are so negligible that it’s practically the same as chipEV.
I don't know how you calculate ICM with 19 people left but I'd say it's not something you should concern yourself with too much at this stage when you make a shove. People call way too tight most of the time when they are this deep in a tournament, so a shove such as A5s becomes much more valuable as it will probably have more Fold equity then it should have.
Of course, you should be mindful of pay jumps so if you got a Jam that's very marginal and you only need 1 more guy to bust to get a jump we might want to pass that spot up. Just don't start folding hands such as this as it's indeed way too strong.