Hi guys, no reads, how should we play this hand?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (80/160 blinds, 16 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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SB: 9,392 (58.7 bb)
BB: 9,648 (60.3 bb)
UTG+2: 8,374 (52.3 bb)
MP1: 15,820 (98.9 bb)
MP2: 16,190 (101.2 bb)
Hero (MP3): 14,349 (89.7 bb)
CO: 9,536 (59.6 bb)
BTN: 14,224 (88.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8 T
2 folds, MP2 raises to 400, Hero calls 400, 2 folds, SB calls 320, BB calls 240

Flop: (1,728) 8 2 J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (1,728) 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets 864, MP2 calls 864, Hero calls 864, SB folds

River: (4,320) 7 (3 players)
[color="red"]BB bets 4,320 hero ????

River is an easy fold. BB isn't betting turn and potting river multiway with a hand worse than yours. He got such good odds to call pre he could easily have 2P hands like J8s/42s, sets, 99/TT, etc.

I wonder about betting the flop though. You have a couple of backdoor draws and a very vulnerable middle pair that isn't likely going to win at showdown multiway. A bet could fold out some Kx/Ax hands that missed but could outdraw you by the river. And with your backdoor draws there are lots of turn cards you can barrel to put pressure on better hands.

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Fold Pre.

I think call pre is marginal - prob OK if its a passive table where we are unlikely to be squeezed and we have a good chance of being in position. As played I would bet the flop and barrel this turn. As played pretty easy fold on the river.

but villain could also have missed f draws like me and other straight hands, wo i think is a lots of combo. He could barrel pot river with a bluff i think

Betting flop will make this a little easier. You can win immediately, you take the initiative right away, there are good runouts to barrel and you have position on future streets. Your hand is usually best here and you have backdoors. I'd also 3b pre sometimes, depending on the players. As played, we block a lot of the draws and bb can easily have a Jx+ (and weird 2 pairs since he is in BB), so I probably just fold to this sizing.

Probably fold pre without more knowledge on table.

Definitely bet flop. We caught mid-pair and everyone just checked to us. Some of them are holding air and missed the flop completely. Let's try to get them out of the pot so they can't draw into something on the turn.

As played, we fold river. BB may have top pair, two pair, or a set on the flop and checked. Dry board so he doesn't want to push out any callers. He could also have T9s and has an OESD. Turn brings a brick, but also another diamond. So now he wants to build the pot and fold some hands out. Less likely he has a straight draw when he bets the turn. More likely he has JJ, Jx, J8, 88, 22. Pot odds are ok for us to try and hit our flush, so I'm ok with the call. River is no help and he bets pot. Easy fold for us. We don't beat anything that would lead out other than a bluff.

I can see the mentality of the hero call here. He's betting pot on that river? If he had a set or made the straight, why not value bet? He must be trying to buy it. But I think at these stakes, it is more likely that this is a donk bet and he has it.

You didn't mention what MP2 did on the river. If he called, that makes folding even easier.

Not a fan of pre either.
Guess its 3bet > fold > call.
Calling isnt super bad but marginal unless its droolers all around.
T9s I like calling more.

Shouldnt bet flop 4way when both SB and BB can have all Jx and better 8x. Should bet Jx+ and GS+.

Would fold river as well.
Not gonna try to decipher logic behind that line. Just some draws got there, villain chooses very large sizing and we have marginal catcher. Heroing such spots isnt way to crush $5 mtts.

This is a good point that I hadn't considered. If we bet flop, and they come over the top, we're folding. Check lets us see another card for free.

Any decent Jx would have bet the flop and there aren't going to be many better 8x. We have a blocker to the 88 set and aside from the original raiser they aren't likely to have JJ either. Plus there's no flush draw on the flop. So I think the risk of getting x/raised is minimal here. I'd rather thin the field and drive out some of the overcard hands. Position is an advantage here.

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I should have pointed out that I bet like 30% on this flop, so I'm comfortable calling check-raises sometimes if one of the blinds pop it up. Mainly because we are deep and have backdoor draws. You won't get check raised in this spot too often, though, and if one of the blinds are capable of check-raising a Jx, then we have decent enough equity and implied odds to continue. We block J8 and 88 and there aren't many draws, so I'm not that worried of getting check-raised by two pair+ too often.

I think checking the flop just gives all of them a free card to beat your pair of 8's.

I meant Sb and bb check to preflop aggressor so they still will have all 8x+ in their ranges most likely.