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07-15-2019 , 04:11 PM
Hi guys

Villain is 37/11 in 46 hands; c/r cbets 50% (2)

That´s a huge raise. For me only possible ranges are nutted or some weird Ax....not sure if some 99-66 is doing this stuff

I insta called without thinking and not really looking at SPR (which is pretty high)....am i overthinking this hand? We just call and shrug if he has a 7x, 77 or 22?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1.80 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 48,632 (48.6 bb)
BB: 158,815 (158.8 bb)
UTG+1: 31,096 (31.1 bb)
UTG+2: 19,922 (19.9 bb)
MP1: 55,788 (55.8 bb)
MP2: 41,939 (41.9 bb)
MP3: 29,587 (29.6 bb)
Hero (CO): 50,906 (50.9 bb)
BTN: 56,692 (56.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
5 folds, Hero raises to 2,500, 2 folds, BB calls 1,500

Flop: (6,175) 7 2 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 3,088, BB raises to 156,240 and is all-in, Hero calls 45,243 and is all-in
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07-15-2019 , 07:30 PM
Can prob fold at these stakes tbh. No ones gonna exploit you and he can have 7777/7x/222 etc.
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07-17-2019 , 02:27 PM
Spr at flop is like 7.5, don't go broke in this spot

Would you raise with a lone 2 here if you were V? There isn't draws possible. No FD, oesd or gutter are available.

Check/back at this spr is perfect for your hand and your range. If you are going to bet, 1/3 or less is good here with shallower stacks but not this time
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07-17-2019 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pouled
Spr at flop is like 7.5, don't go broke in this spot

Would you raise with a lone 2 here if you were V? There isn't draws possible. No FD, oesd or gutter are available.

Check/back at this spr is perfect for your hand and your range. If you are going to bet, 1/3 or less is good here with shallower stacks but not this time
Yep...i went broke haha it was really a stupid mistake

Checkin back stuff you say this i dont understand...why are we not cbetting? We can get value of some middle pair or, if villain is sticky, from some overcards that want to get lucky OTT....
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07-17-2019 , 10:37 PM
We never get x3 streets here so check flop and go from there looking for x2 streets. Our hand doesn't need much protection considering how wide bb range should be going to the flop. His range contains more 7x than us and alot of his 2x folds pre. He might decide to bluff sometimes ott and having some strong hands in our xb range is great for the game tree overall
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07-18-2019 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Pouled
Spr at flop is like 7.5, don't go broke in this spot

Would you raise with a lone 2 here if you were V? There isn't draws possible. No FD, oesd or gutter are available.

Check/back at this spr is perfect for your hand and your range. If you are going to bet, 1/3 or less is good here with shallower stacks but not this time
When there's no gutshots or fd for v to bluff with v needs to be creative. So villain would wanna incorporate hands like 89ss or 9Tdd etc or overcards that can turn gutters to barrel on. Basically hands that can turn and realize equity to keep barreling on work well to c/r bluff these types of flops as bluffs.


I don't think we should check the flop, but I don't think we should go broke. I think betting is perfectly fine and so is checking a smaller % of the time aka non zero %
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07-19-2019 , 11:12 AM
I think there is some results oriented thinking going on here. That's why people shouldn't post results or hint at them in their post.

We have 50bb to start and KK on a 772 flop, I'm never folding there. Could he have 7x/22? Sure. Although I would actually discount 7x because I would expect more slow play. But I could easily see villain doing this with a small-medium pair to deny your equity with all your overcards.
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07-19-2019 , 07:09 PM
No results were posted and I'm not just going broke with one pair for 50 blinds often in a 1.80 when villain calls bb and that flop has all the 7s for him and vastly less for us.
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07-20-2019 , 01:28 AM
I call
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07-20-2019 , 07:37 AM
I guess it depends on how much 7x you are opening pre and cbetting this flop with.

If you don't have a lot, then you'll probably have to call KK.

If you are opening like A7o, Q7s, 75s-type hands then you won't need to.

If you have no idea what villain is doing then worry about your own ranges first.
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07-20-2019 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
No results were posted and I'm not just going broke with one pair for 50 blinds often in a 1.80 when villain calls bb and that flop has all the 7s for him and vastly less for us.
Realistically, how many combos of 7x can he have? A7/K7s/T7s/97s/87s/76s/75s. With two 7's on the flop there can only be two combos of each suited 7x. That's 20 total.

How many combos of other pairs? Let's say he does this with 33-66/88-TT. That's 4x7=28.

That's also doesn't include the times he makes this kind of move with other hands, like A2 or random overcards.

You only need 45% to make the call and you're way ahead of that based on these combos. You would need another 23 combos of value hands in his range to make this a clear fold, and that's impossible. He would have to be defending with a huge number of 7x hands: all the suited ones, or most of them plus some unsuited ones.

Or looking at it the other way, this only becomes a fold if villain makes this move as a bluff with only 33-66.
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07-20-2019 , 03:06 PM
I don't think we can assume a low aggression player is doing that instead of just c/c tho with 33-66 and they can defend 78o type stuff too from the bb.
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