Hi guys

Villain is a reg, nothing unusual about him

I decide to make a smallish bet OTR hoping that any DP would call...really surprised when i was raised

Dont see really any bluffs in his range: a lesser ace (?) is not doing it, neither a DP so probably facing a flush or a FH

Any ideas?

why are you not cbetting here?
As played you are underrepped but I don't think we can call with the flush hitting - would have bet a little larger on the river

it's a terminology thing but you haven't got top set - you've got trips

haha True !!!!

Not sure about cbetting OOP with "only" TPTK and so deep...I decided for a little pot control here

Not top set. Cbet flop. Check river.

Flop check is fine vs this many players but I'd still bet vs players who aren't folding. Turn bet is too big. C/c river prob.

for those saying x/c river... why?

b/f river seems far better IMO

Can you elaborate a little bit?

Why turn bet is big? Its only 50%...

Why c/c river? What range is he NOT checkin behind that we beat? I can think of 78 , some lesser Ace (why didn't he raise OTT?) but not sure any other DP is betting here...

Never, ever checking that flop. You're just inviting someone to draw out on you with so many opponents.

Definitely check river. When you have a strong hand but the river brings a better one that can easily be in your opponent's range(s), you should be x/calling. You'll never get called by worse and will only get raised by better.

Ummm today i disagree

I have TPTK quite deep OOP vs several villains; board is not wet but not so dry either

I dont say cbetting is bad, i say that checkin and protecting your hand is not so bad..i feel good with the two options tbh

About river: my line of thinking is that i (not the villain) am setting the price of the river...if i check and he bets 2/3 or PSB now we are in the guessing game and facing a difficult decision

c betting is definitely better than checking... keep it simple, bet your good hands.

as for river I think we get called by all worse aces and it's pretty easy to fold to a raise, but if we check and face a PSB or any large bet for that matter we're put in a tough position.

I just don't know of many hands we play this way that just wants to bet the river after so many players are involved. This is a very unique and bizarre situation though so who knows.

But on the river what're we hoping calls? AJo ok, ATo folds btn, AJs likely 3bets pre, ATs could call. Pocket pairs are basically none right? TT-KK 3b pre so those sorta hero calls are basically non existent given that's a near mandatory squeeze with TT+. Button can have a lot of flushes tho and actually even the nut flush too. I'm not sure what bluffs he shows up with but villain can have 78s (not clubs)/89 and maybe a gutter that missed+back door equity (T7dd type stuff maybe).

I just think villain is bladed too often to want to value bet.

How does checking the flop protect your hand? You protect your hand by betting. I don't see how you can feel good about checking this hand in a multiway pot with the threat of a club draw and 87 straight draw. When you check this flop, your chances of winning the hand drop substantially.

I see the point about wanting to avoid a difficult decision on the river, but you're not going to be able to set your own price. If he hit the flush, he's raising. If not, he's likely folding. When you check you at least give him a chance to bluff or even bet for what he thinks is value with a hand like JJ/TT.

I think he meant to say protect his range by checking flop.

I agree cbet flop, and bet bigger OTT. CC or CF OTR.

This.

Now my two cents : his bluffing range is very small IMHO. Clues : his line look like somebody who's drawing because he has the odds in a multiway-pot. It is almost ABC poker, plain math. But it is player dependent. Is he a good reg ? Maniac. What about the table dynamic ?
With the given elements he is value betting IMHO. I would not even make the effort of guessing his hand. Too many hands who get there on river are possible. In a word, looking at the board, your hand doesn't beat much all of a sudden. A raise of this size on river looks like an invitation. Like villain just read a book or something And I would x/f. Plain and simple. Why ? Because he is value betting ! In the rare case it is a bluff, then ... well, next hand.