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Old 09-11-2018, 02:41 PM   #1
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Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

Hi !

Initial raiser is a crazy guy , he has been opening virtually all the hands for 10-11 times

First question : i don´t think calling is an option as i dont wanna be squeezed ; also with this weird guy and effective stack size i am not sure i wanna just 3bet him and allow him to call or worse , to come over the top...is my play bad?

Second question : is BTN play right? at the beggining i thought it was a little crazy but perhaps it has its logic...he KNOWS i dont have premium hand and KQ works well against a more wide range but nevertheless he is more or less flipping.....is HIS play good?

Thanks for your thoughts

    Poker Stars, $9 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37936692

    MP1: 43,391 (108.5 bb)
    MP2: 19,975 (49.9 bb)
    MP3: 25,963 (64.9 bb)
    Hero (CO): 8,333 (20.8 bb)
    BTN: 13,900 (34.8 bb)
    SB: 8,347 (20.9 bb)
    BB: 13,490 (33.7 bb)
    UTG+1: 14,020 (35.1 bb)
    UTG+2: 118,000 (295 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A T
    UTG+1 raises to 800, 4 folds, Hero raises to 8,283 and is all-in, BTN raises to 13,850 and is all-in, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls 13,050

    Flop: (37,033) 3 6 9 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (37,033) 5 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (37,033) K (3 players, 2 are all-in)

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    Old 09-11-2018, 04:17 PM   #2
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

    I would’ve played it the same way versus a super crazy loose aggro opponent. I don’t particularly care for button cold call w kqo though.

    Nice hand.
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    Old 09-11-2018, 06:58 PM   #3
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

    Ditto. Button call sucks.
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    Old 09-11-2018, 09:32 PM   #4
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

    what range are you assigning the UTG+1 open? what is crazy to you? do you use a HUD? how many hands have you played vs UTG+1 and have you seen any of his hands showdown? if you have only played 20-30 hands and seen none of them showed down then how can you know for sure he isnt getting a good run of cards? i'm assuming you know that under normal circumstances vs a normalish UTG+1 range this isnt a great rejam spot.

    no, the BTN play is not good at all.
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    Old 09-12-2018, 01:03 AM   #5
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

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    what range are you assigning the UTG+1 open? what is crazy to you?


    Opening nearly 10-11 times in a row!

    At these limits (probably most limits really) and at a full table, when players raise this many times in a row, it's not hard to pinpoint them as "loose."

    and not to be results oriented, but look at the results of the hand. The OP was spot on with his read and play.
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    Old 09-12-2018, 01:47 AM   #6
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

    We are all wrong, the goal is to try and be less wrong
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    Old 09-12-2018, 05:01 AM   #7
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

    fold pre.
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    Old 09-12-2018, 08:45 AM   #8
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

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    Opening nearly 10-11 times in a row!

    At these limits (probably most limits really) and at a full table, when players raise this many times in a row, it's not hard to pinpoint them as "loose."

    and not to be results oriented, but look at the results of the hand. The OP was spot on with his read and play.
    i was simply making a point that people who play reasonably can open many hands in row on a hot run of cards.

    yes, villian showed up with 97s which is closer to a CO range than an UTG+1 range, so 3b jamming was the correct play.

    Bayesian analysis is useful but i think actually seeing peoples cards before you make this play, or having a large sample size of hands in a HUD, is more useful.
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    Old 09-12-2018, 10:11 AM   #9
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

    Am I the only one who thinks it's mildly reckless to put your tournament life on the line with the bottom of your shoving range versus a maniac with three players left to act?

    OP: how was the maniac playing post-flop? How have they been responding to preflop aggression?

    Depending on those dynamics, it may have been worth your while to try and put yourself in a situation where you have better equity... That is, by seeing a flop. You do have position on the maniac after all...



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    Old 09-12-2018, 12:16 PM   #10
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

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    Am I the only one who thinks it's mildly reckless to put your tournament life on the line with the bottom of your shoving range versus a maniac with three players left to act?

    OP: how was the maniac playing post-flop? How have they been responding to preflop aggression?

    Depending on those dynamics, it may have been worth your while to try and put yourself in a situation where you have better equity... That is, by seeing a flop. You do have position on the maniac after all...



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    It's pretty certain from the way OP describes villain that he is going to have the best hand here most of the time, which makes Jamming here the best play with only 20BB. It's not bad to call as well but you put yourself in some very tough spots if someone Jams behind you as they presumably know that the maniac guy opens everything and might just jam something like low pockets that we could normally fold out.

    The thing is you still have to hit against a maniac like this guy and then unless you flop top pair you're not exactly going to have an easy time playing it if he's aggressive post and with only 20BB you don't have much room to play post-flop anyways. It's, of course, profitable but I just think a jam here is printing if we are convinced villain is a maniac.
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    Old 09-12-2018, 02:53 PM   #11
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

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    fold pre.
    ok...can you elaborate a little more.....?

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    We are all wrong, the goal is to try and be less wrong
    So true man...more i study more doubts and leaks i discover...also variance punches doesnt help at all

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    what range are you assigning the UTG+1 open? what is crazy to you? do you use a HUD? how many hands have you played vs UTG+1 and have you seen any of his hands showdown? if you have only played 20-30 hands and seen none of them showed down then how can you know for sure he isnt getting a good run of cards? i'm assuming you know that under normal circumstances vs a normalish UTG+1 range this isnt a great rejam spot.

    no, the BTN play is not good at all.
    Hi ! Yep , i only play 3 tables at one time so i really have a good idea of all players at the table. Guy was really reckless , not only pre but postflop
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    Old 09-13-2018, 09:52 AM   #12
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

    I think this is the best play as it can be in this spot.
    1) When fishy player open 2x he shows his weakness, because usually with strong hands they open 3x or more.
    2) If he find fold you will increase your stack size almost 25%, so it's really good numbers.
    3) You almost every time will be ahead to his calling range (when he open 2x)
    4) Yes you might get cooler from the player in left that's fine close this table and open new one
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    Old 09-14-2018, 09:10 AM   #13
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

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    fold pre.
    Yep! Against an UTG+1-raise you´re in the most cases underdog unless Villain is a total fish or a crazy maniac. The BTN-call is ...urm...brave
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    Old 09-14-2018, 09:36 AM   #14
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    Re: Hero is wrong, V is wrong or we are all wrong?

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    Yep! Against an UTG+1-raise you´re in the most cases underdog unless Villain is a total fish or a crazy maniac.

    Did anybody even read what he posted?
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    Old 09-14-2018, 11:54 AM   #15
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    ok...can you elaborate a little more.....?
    UTG+1 opening range with 35BB looks like 55+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,AJo+,KQo

    versus that range you shove 88+ ATs+ AQo+ KTs+ QJs - according to HRC math.

    if u believe that utg+1 opens 30% or more then shoving ATo is profitable
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