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Old 07-09-2018, 07:19 PM   #1
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Gross spot with overpair

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1.80 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37934934

SB: 9,625 (96.3 bb)
BB: 10,225 (102.3 bb)
UTG+1: 20,000 (200 bb)
UTG+2: 10,000 (100 bb)
MP1: 10,350 (103.5 bb)
MP2: 22,148 (221.5 bb)
MP3: 8,767 (87.7 bb)
Hero (CO): 9,310 (93.1 bb)
BTN: 9,850 (98.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
3 folds, MP2 calls 100, MP3 raises to 250, Hero raises to 890, 3 folds, MP2 calls 790, MP3 calls 640

Flop: (2,820) J 2 8 (3 players)
MP2 bets 400, MP3 calls 400, Hero raises to 1,400, MP2 raises to 21,258 and is all-in, MP3 calls 7,477 and is all-in, Hero ??
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Old 07-10-2018, 02:30 AM   #2
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Re: Gross spot with overpair

Not a nice one but I am calling
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:51 AM   #3
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I am just curious - what's the purpose of raising OTF instead of simple call?
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:05 AM   #4
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Re: Gross spot with overpair

don't think many villains are donking with that size with a set here of which he can have JJ but less likely 88 and shouldnt have 22. if there is a case for donking inmy mind it would be to protect against the draws on that board and betting so small doesnt make sense from a protection perspective

so if he doesnt have a set, I dont fear him having AA, KK or 2 pair so we're gonna be ahead for the most part

I figure a draw is the most likely holding, being diamonds or a non-massive combo draw

SPR is about 3 and we have an overpair on a board where as above I dont think we are often going to be crushed, so I'm calling
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:47 AM   #5
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Re: Gross spot with overpair

With a chance to triple and hands like AJ, OESD, and flush draws (one out for which you hold) in their ranges, I'm going with it.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:28 AM   #6
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Re: Gross spot with overpair

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I am just curious - what's the purpose of raising OTF instead of simple call?
I thought there are some cards that are going to make me uncomfortable OTT : A , K , 9 or T and diamonds i would like to evade too (although i already have one) ; my hand is not going to improve really and i am facing two villains so I decided to take the pot right now/ charge them if they want to see this turn card
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:37 AM   #7
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With a chance to triple and hands like AJ, OESD, and flush draws (one out for which you hold) in their ranges, I'm going with it.
I remember reading that in early phase of a MTT you must not be carried away with an overpair risking your life tournament in it....is this off dated? Should i risk a little bit to triple up as you said?

With less stack of course i call (i agree with your hand reading) but i was feeling scared of risking almost 100 BB in this call
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:37 AM   #8
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I thought there are some cards that are going to make me uncomfortable OTT : A , K , 9 or T and diamonds i would like to evade too (although i already have one) ; my hand is not going to improve really and i am facing two villains so I decided to take the pot right now/ charge them if they want to see this turn card
I think I'm raising the flop too btw, for the same reasons. May go a little larger though
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:43 AM   #9
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I remember reading that in early phase of a MTT you must not be carried away with an overpair risking your life tournament in it....is this off dated? Should i risk a little bit to triple up as you said?

With less stack of course i call (i agree with your hand reading) but i was feeling scared of risking almost 100 BB in this call
Early in micro stakes tourneys people also go crazy with all sorts of hands to gamble for a big pot. You either triple up or bust and play the next one.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:23 PM   #10
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Re: Gross spot with overpair

A low stakes rec limps then cold calls a 3bet? looks like a small pair to me. Not thrilled at all and really think mp2's range is set heavy here. However, I call and pray it's AJ and then nut fd I'm up against
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:25 PM   #11
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Early in micro stakes tourneys people also go crazy with all sorts of hands to gamble for a big pot. You either triple up or bust and play the next one.
TRUE.in micro stakes early level tournaments villains jams top pairs,draws and gs on flop frequently.if was turn or river you could analize the board texture and make a decision.turn is good the raise with soo much draws.

i don't know the villains profile,so when the MP1 limps we could put him in hands like conectors suiteds and blockers even you are blocking D(56,57,46,7T,45,67,K7,K8,A2-A6) and J8,J9,T9,8T,and unlikely he has trips.

MP2 raises look médium strong hands like QJ,QT,QK,KJ,KTs(you're blocking but could have)TJ,AJ,AT,77-TT(AA,KK,AK i think he will do more pré)
seems a good spot for you if they both are shoving draws because your Qd drastically decreases their odds,if they not you have BD straight flush.

Last edited by king15br; 07-10-2018 at 05:50 PM. Reason: analizing villains action pré-flop
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:45 AM   #12
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I thought there are some cards that are going to make me uncomfortable OTT : A , K , 9 or T and diamonds i would like to evade too (although i already have one) ; my hand is not going to improve really and i am facing two villains so I decided to take the pot right now/ charge them if they want to see this turn card
Okay, but let's look at the pot odds you offer them:
pot size after your bet:

2820(pot size post-flop) + 400(MP2 bet) + 400(MP3 bet) + 1400(hero raise) = 5020

V should add just 1000 to see the turn card.

Hence pot odds are 5 : 1(16.6%). If one of V's has fd, his chance to complete flush OTT is ~16%(8 outs * 2%). This is super-profitable call given the implied odds.
So, this bet fails to charge fd's properly. if you really want to do that, the raise size should much, much larger.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:14 PM   #13
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Okay, but let's look at the pot odds you offer them:
pot size after your bet:

2820(pot size post-flop) + 400(MP2 bet) + 400(MP3 bet) + 1400(hero raise) = 5020

V should add just 1000 to see the turn card.

Hence pot odds are 5 : 1(16.6%). If one of V's has fd, his chance to complete flush OTT is ~16%(8 outs * 2%). This is super-profitable call given the implied odds.
So, this bet fails to charge fd's properly. if you really want to do that, the raise size should much, much larger.
Sooooo true !! It should have been around 2/3 or a little more of the pot right?

Sizing my bets/raises is one of the parts of my game where I have huge leaks
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:52 AM   #14
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Sooooo true !! It should have been around 2/3 or a little more of the pot right?

Sizing my bets/raises is one of the parts of my game where I have huge leaks
Suggestion : make a table of typical bet sizings and the corresponding pot odds that you offer by that, for example:
if you bet 1/2 pot then you offer 3:1 pot odds(25%) to your opponents.
if you bet 2/3 pot then you offer 5 : 2 pot odds or ±28.5%
if you bet 3/4 pot then you offer 7 : 3 pot odds (30%)
if you bet the pot size then you offer 2 : 1 pot odds(33%)
and keep it handy.

When you want to charge drawing hands, estimate what they are drawing to and bet accordingly. I.e. if you want to charge fd then prob. 2/3 pot is a good size, etc..Practicing will lead your brain to automatic decisions and eventually you won't need this table anymore..just keep practicing.
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