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04-17-2018 , 07:46 PM
PokerStars - €1.80+€0.20|2500/5000 Ante 500 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 12.25 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 51)
UTG: 17.72 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 12.43 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 14.05 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP+1: 20.28 BB (VPIP: 14.00, PFR: 10.42, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 51)
Hero (MP+2): 31.6 BB
CO: 25.13 BB (VPIP: 19.61, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 51)
BTN: 37.39 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 23.88 BB (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 51)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, CO raises to 25.03 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold

Spoiler:
CO wins 6.4 BB


the guy looked tight over a small sample but AQo is a monster. No matter what the spot is close and decided to fold cuz everyone at these stakes just give away stacks. Thoughts? What range would you give this guy ?
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04-17-2018 , 09:12 PM
Call
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04-17-2018 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
Call
Fml.. it did feel like AQo was too strong to fold..., without reads you would always call this spot?
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04-18-2018 , 04:21 AM
I wouldn't say I "always" would but yeah this is near the bottom of our calling range.
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04-18-2018 , 05:41 AM
What are your stats? He may be jamming to try and iso what he thinks is a loose raise in front of him.

He's probably not jamming AA-JJ and would raise those for value and try to get the stacks in post-flop. And I think he has too many BB's to be jamming too wide, especially with 3 players and the original raiser still to act.

I'm putting him on a range of TT-22, AKs - A8s, AKo - ATo... hands that have strong showdown value but are hard to play post flop this deep in a tourney. I am not sure on a couple of the weaker Ax hands but I am putting those in the bottom of his range.

We are looking at betting 23BB's to win 52BB's so we need 44% equity. AQo against that range is about 50% equity so I am calling and feeling pretty good about our chances. Plus if we win we'll have over 55BB's and will be able to start pushing the table around and if we lose we still have 6BB's left to try and make a rally.

If, however, you think he's a bit tighter than that and you take out A8s, A9s, ATo, AJo... we are at break even against his range in which case I am folding and saving my 29BB's for a better spot.
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04-18-2018 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by chazmoneypoker

He's probably not jamming AA-JJ and would raise those for value and try to get the stacks in post-flop. And I think he has too many BB's to be jamming too wide, especially with 3 players and the original raiser still to act.

I'm putting him on a range of TT-22, AKs - A8s, AKo - ATo... hands that have strong showdown value but are hard to play post flop this deep in a tourney. I am not sure on a couple of the weaker Ax hands but I am putting those in the bottom of his range.
I agree he's probably not jamming QQ-AA but lots of people would play JJ this way. But I think your range is way too wide. He doesn't have LAG stats and he's risking his 25bb stack to pick up a small pot, so I don't see hands like A8s/AT in there. Even ATs might just call the minraise with 25bb.

If we give him 22-JJ/ATs+/AJ+ Hero has 48%, so it would be a pretty clear call. That's assuming we can take QQ-AA out of his shoving range. If not Hero is only at 45%.
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04-18-2018 , 04:26 PM
Yikes.

Any reason you didn't opening more than 2BB?
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04-19-2018 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by KyleMoho
Yikes.

Any reason you didn't opening more than 2BB?
Ive just been watching people better than me at MTTs and they seem to always open between 2 and 2,3 so thats what I've been doing. It actually didnt change a thing here, made my fold cheaper, thats about it. Any thoughts on the matter ?
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04-19-2018 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by zahrem
Ive just been watching people better than me at MTTs and they seem to always open between 2 and 2,3 so thats what I've been doing. It actually didnt change a thing here, made my fold cheaper, thats about it. Any thoughts on the matter ?
Would have made it 2.5-3x. Min raise seems fine UTG and EP but you're giving the CO such a good price with a good starting hand. Agree with the fold, he could be shoving nearly 20% from the CO.
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04-19-2018 , 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chazmoneypoker
What are your stats? He may be jamming to try and iso what he thinks is a loose raise in front of him.

He's probably not jamming AA-JJ and would raise those for value and try to get the stacks in post-flop. And I think he has too many BB's to be jamming too wide, especially with 3 players and the original raiser still to act.

I'm putting him on a range of TT-22, AKs - A8s, AKo - ATo... hands that have strong showdown value but are hard to play post flop this deep in a tourney. I am not sure on a couple of the weaker Ax hands but I am putting those in the bottom of his range.

We are looking at betting 23BB's to win 52BB's so we need 44% equity. AQo against that range is about 50% equity so I am calling and feeling pretty good about our chances. Plus if we win we'll have over 55BB's and will be able to start pushing the table around and if we lose we still have 6BB's left to try and make a rally.

If, however, you think he's a bit tighter than that and you take out A8s, A9s, ATo, AJo... we are at break even against his range in which case I am folding and saving my 29BB's for a better spot.
I agree with dart that this range is too wide, esspeccialy for micros.
If we give him 22-JJ, AJ+, by icmizer we have to call 55+, AQ+.
But i would give him tighter range (66-QQ, AJ+), than we have to call 88+, AQ+.
He is not loose playing 19/14/6. He can flat hands like 66-99 here. If he is not jaming AJ, AQo is a fold. So this is not super easy call.
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04-19-2018 , 06:16 PM
Stacks are too shallow to be making bigger raises pre. We want to be able to steal some pots still (when bb isn't the mega shorty) and raising bigger means we have a slightly more polarized range.
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04-19-2018 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
Stacks are too shallow to be making bigger raises pre. We want to be able to steal some pots still (when bb isn't the mega shorty) and raising bigger means we have a slightly more polarized range.


+1

Raising between 2x and 2.5x is perfect at this stack depth.
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04-20-2018 , 11:19 AM
2.2-2.5x pre for sure.

I think AQo is a must call here especially if we're planning to steal wider
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