PokerStars - 250/500 Ante 60 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 51.63 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 75)
CO: 36.93 BB (VPIP: 27.42, PFR: 18.03, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 63)
BTN: 49.48 BB (VPIP: 36.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 25)
SB: 11.82 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 12.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 92)
Hero (BB): 25.78 BB
UTG: 16.46 BB (VPIP: 17.82, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 101)
UTG+1: 28.17 BB (VPIP: 20.78, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 78)
MP: 73.72 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 15.04, 3Bet Preflop: 6.80, Hands: 275)

8 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.46 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, MP+1 raises to 7.9 BB, fold, fold, fold, HERO ???

it's FT
V1: open mp 22%, fold to 3bet 5/8
V2: 3b 2/25 autonotes: 3b allin (ATo,JTo)

do you think this 3b is always value?
almost always fold that kind of spot but maybe i should shove?

This is a math hand imo, put his ranges (3bet range, call range) in equity calculator, mix in your fold equity (if you have any), and calculate your cEV here. Also since it's FT, ICM comes into play and I don't know anything about it

regarding your questions:

1. yes and if he's 3beting only AK, QQ+, you have no fold equity and are crushed)
2. yes, imo almost always fold, I'd say look for more +EV spots

super easy fold. With two shorter stacks and a chance to be eliminated your bubble factor against larger stacks shall be super large and it significantly reduces the 4-bet range here. do u have payment structure?

Nice hand to paste on ICMizer. My license is expired...
I think probably you have to push something like JJ+ only here, even AK is a fold with the short stacks in the table
Someone with icmizer????

As ppl pointed out, it's an easy fold w two shortstacks in play for ICM-reasons. I'm pretty sure we're only shoving sth like QQ+, as we don't have any FEQ as well, considering villains sizing

You always have fold equity if you can 4b small enough.

Did anyone look at the notes? 3bettor is clearly aggro and not super narrow here. Opener is also wide.

Pre-sizing looks like he's looking for a fold, not a 4b.

3-bettor sample size is just 75 hands. 3-bet on the flop stat is based on even smaller size, it could be like 2/25 hands which does not really mean anything.
Anyways, 4-bet push here is the worst decision ever from ICM/FGS PoV.

I think that push range here is like QQ+ If OP provides payout structure, I will be glad to icmize it.

Use some poker stars presets on icmizer

You basically don't have any FEQ with a 25bb-Stack against an 8bb 3-b from MP

If your range is QQ+ you should have loads.


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