Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 50/100 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 54.1 BB (VPIP: 32.26, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
BB: 21.75 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
UTG: 73.55 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 18)
UTG+1: 43.16 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 11.59, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 140)
MP: 63.15 BB (VPIP: 19.64, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 56)
MP+1: 98.29 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
Hero (CO): 54.94 BB
BTN: 81.93 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 22)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has A 4

UTG raises to 2.25 BB, fold, MP calls 2.25 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7.85 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 5.6 BB, MP calls 5.6 BB

Flop: (25.85 BB, 3 players) A 2 J
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 8.5 BB, fold, MP calls 8.5 BB

Turn: (42.85 BB, 2 players) J
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (42.85 BB, 2 players) T
MP bets 13.69 BB, Hero?

i would call pre.

call or 3 bet pre is fine.

Not sure exactly what your question is OTR? Are you wondering if we should jam or raise for value? By just calling I think we're missing some value, unless you have V on only 1010 which doesn't make a lot of sense. I suppose AJ would play this way except the sizing OTR seems bad for AJ and I think AJ most likely c/r AJ as well.

Yeah, the question is should we call or raise, folding is of course out of the equation.

I am sorry that you lost.(c)

Preflop is a pretty easy call. You're squeezing with a hand that plays well multiway but can easily be dominated by a UTG raising range. There is no reason to squeeze there.

So what are your 3bet bluffs here?

Against a utg open and MP call? My 3b bluff range is non-existent.

wait a sec, why are you considering A4s to be in the 3-bet bluff range? This hand is good enough to call even in multiway pot.

This isn't wrong, but A2-A5s make solid candidates for a 3/4/5bet bluffing range pre because they have pretty reasonable equity (for a bluff) when called, and they have a very relevant blocker for removal.

We can't always have value in our 3bet range vs this action. Gotta work in a bluff or two somewhere.


As for the hand, my first though is jam river - we only really lose to JTs (2 combos), JJ (1 combo), and AJs 1 combo). There's always also the slight chance he called pre with AJo/AA/22 which is another 7 combos combined (but I don't think villain will always have all combos of these hands)

Villain can have some hands that might hero (lower flushes, KJs/QJs) and the super unlikely AK/AQ that decided it wanted to punt the river.


I think this is one of those spots where it's unlikely you get called, but you probably just have to go for it anyway. We Can't let them get away with a 1/4 PSB OTR.

No you don't. The circumstances where you'd want to squeeze for value here would arise so infrequently that you don't have to worry about balancing them with bluffs. You don't have to balance your range in every single spot just for the sake of being balanced.

Thanks a lot. At the moment I wasn't sure if I'm getting called by worse often enough. I end up jamming and he called with KJ

lol. no, they don't. what u suggest is called over bluffing.

It's completely standard to have bluffs. I have no idea how you guys can think it's bad to have bluffs because it's micro stakes it doesn't make sense.

It's probably a good idea not to 3bet the tightest guy on the table and it's probably smart also not to 3bet A5s as a bluff against that whale that just calls everything. You might disagree with it being a good spot which is fair enough but honestly if the guy only chooses a couple of Axs he's not getting out of line.

I'd check flop as this isn't a 3street hand if we don't improve. I think there is more value in letting him bluff at it if he wants as we will have some KK, QQ that isn't too happy with this kind of board.

As played Jam river.

it's completely standard to have right amount of bluffs. Bluffing A2s-A5s is too much. I would - MAYBE - bluff A2s occasionally, for example only
A2

Dude... Just because you like to use A2s as a bluff doesn't mean that OP can't use A4s occasionally instead. When you tell him to call Pre you're implying that he shouldn't 3bet which is rather silly seeing that you yourself admit that you would in fact 3bet this spot with a bluff such as A2 sometimes.

People can't know what your thinking so if you want to remind people of what the "right" amount of bluffs is you might want to drop more then 1 line of how you would call pre.

Let's put it another way : Hero has a hand that flops nuts fd 10% of time. 2 opponents already entered the pot. Hero has good pot odds for calling and nice implied odds post flop - he can stack off 2 opponents! It's really, really, really, really easy call. Instead hero is like : nah! I put more money in the pot now and I fold to 4-bet. Hero does not even understand fully why he is doing this. lol imho.

Dude, have you seen that big shiny MAYBE in my message? Let me explain that it stands for - if I knew that 2 opponents who entered the pot often fold to 3-bet based on the corresponding stat derived from the large sample size and also the random number generator I use(it's suit of cards for me) produced the value that I chose() before the game, then I def. 3-bet with A2s. Unfortunately we never play enough hands with our opponents to have the reliable sample size.

lets put it another way: Hero has AA. He is ahead of both players an insane amount of the time. Hero 3bets to 7.85bb, both players fold.
THIS is the ****ing reason to 3bet A4s.

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ok dude, whatever. I am done here. Keep you strategy intact. It will serve you well.

PS. if u want to play post flop with AA, then just call.

PPS. You are too focused on the advanced concepts that do not make much sense in small stakes.

PPPS. gl.

There are spots that are good for bluff 3-betting and squeezing and then there are spots that aren't. This is a spot that isn't. You are much better off calling behind with A4s here than using it as a bluff squeeze.

Like I said before, you don't have to play balanced in every single spot just for the sake of balance, or for the sake of having "the right amount" of bluffs.

Can you provide a good rationale for why squeezing with A4s here is better than calling?

Take vill to value town and jam the river.