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09-25-2017 , 12:14 PM
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i was 32 out of 39 left with a $9 KO on my head.

I honestly dont know if i made a good or bad decisión by overbetting the pot with a flush draw on turn, i also figured any 10 will also give me a straight but i ended the tourney feeling a bit bad with the decisión i made.

i Honestly didnt think he had a made hand.

thank you in advance for your feedback.


PokerStars - 3500/7000 Ante 1100 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 37.31 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 36.36, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 12)
MP+1: 29.5 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
CO: 23.56 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
BTN: 33.28 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: 18.34 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 41.73 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 22)
Hero (UTG): 18.89 BB
UTG+1: 64.89 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

8 players post ante of 0.16 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.76 BB) Hero has A J

Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (7.76 BB, 3 players) 4 K 7
BB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 checks

Turn: (7.76 BB, 3 players) Q
BB checks, Hero bets 16.74 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 16.74 BB, fold

River: (41.23 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero shows A J (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 63%, Flop 17%, Turn 32%)
MP+1 shows K T (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 83%, Turn 68%)
MP+1 wins 41.23 BB
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09-25-2017 , 01:01 PM
There's no reason to shove the turn there close to the bubble and a nice bounty on your head. Your shove looks like you have exactly what you have because you wouldn't shove with a made hand there. It looks very bluffy. And you're trying to push two people off the pot. Very low percentage play.

I just check and hope to hit on the river.

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09-25-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
There's no reason to shove the turn there close to the bubble and a nice bounty on your head. Your shove looks like you have exactly what you have because you wouldn't shove with a made hand there. It looks very bluffy. And you're trying to push two people off the pot. Very low percentage play.

I just check and hope to hit on the river.

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Yeah. Im guessing it was better to play that hand a bit more tight since it was three way. checked stats and im gonna get there only 33% of the time so at the end it was an -EV play.
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09-25-2017 , 03:15 PM
i agree with the sith.

you could check or even check raise if BB makes a move, but there's no point in jamming as you look like youre trying to steal and get called by only TP or better hands. I dont think a naked queen would even call.
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09-26-2017 , 01:40 AM
Where does it say he is close to the bubble? I am assuming you are deep here, and short-stacked (19 bigs). Depending on the payout structure, and table dynamics, I think it's shove/fold pre here. You really can't play much post with 19 bigs, and I think this hand demonstrates that. If you miss the flop you have a really tough time c-betting to take it down, and big stacks are probably happy to float against you (especially in a KO) which puts you in shove/fold land. On the other hand, with a bounty on your head you might get a worse suited ace to call (depends on table dynamics) pre, or you can lay it down and ride the blinds to jump up one pay grade. Not a fan of the min-raise UTG unless you are trying to induce a 3-bet (on some kind of read) to shove overtop.
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09-26-2017 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CIUC0
Where does it say he is close to the bubble?
You're right, I misread the 32 of 39 left as 39 get paid. My bad.

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09-26-2017 , 10:41 AM
I'd think this is a fold pre. Could shove if that $9 bounty is rly small compared to the avg


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09-26-2017 , 12:32 PM
i thought about shoving, maybe if it was suited i think i would have shoved.

AJo UTG seemed a bit weak here knowing that if i shove i am most likely gonna get called because of the $9 Bounty on my head.

I need to get better at playing Flush Draws.

any tips for that?
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09-26-2017 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CIUC0
Where does it say he is close to the bubble? I am assuming you are deep here, and short-stacked (19 bigs). Depending on the payout structure, and table dynamics, I think it's shove/fold pre here. You really can't play much post with 19 bigs, and I think this hand demonstrates that. If you miss the flop you have a really tough time c-betting to take it down, and big stacks are probably happy to float against you (especially in a KO) which puts you in shove/fold land. On the other hand, with a bounty on your head you might get a worse suited ace to call (depends on table dynamics) pre, or you can lay it down and ride the blinds to jump up one pay grade. Not a fan of the min-raise UTG unless you are trying to induce a 3-bet (on some kind of read) to shove overtop.
I understad, my shoving range is usualy with less than 15 BB. i couold also get called by Pocket Pairs and be flipping for my tourney life. but then again.

thats a 50/50 chanche and not a 30/70 ( referring to the decisión i made )

its very hard to play with 19BB, especially flush draws with open ender on turn thats why i overbet the turn trying to protect my draw and hoping he didnt have a made hand. turned out he did.

Risked my Life for 40K pot now seems a bit stupid after all the feedback.

Any tips for playing draws on Flop and turns? that would help a lot.
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09-27-2017 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lJnAlvarezl
I understad, my shoving range is usualy with less than 15 BB. i couold also get called by Pocket Pairs and be flipping for my tourney life. but then again.

thats a 50/50 chanche and not a 30/70 ( referring to the decisión i made )

its very hard to play with 19BB, especially flush draws with open ender on turn thats why i overbet the turn trying to protect my draw and hoping he didnt have a made hand. turned out he did.

Risked my Life for 40K pot now seems a bit stupid after all the feedback.

Any tips for playing draws on Flop and turns? that would help a lot.
It's good that you have a range in mind, but EP here 19 bigs and 15 bigs are gonna leave you pot committed in almost the exact same number of spots so there is not a huge difference (unless you are expecting a pay jump, in which case the extra 4 bigs might actually matter). Also, AJo vs. AJs is not a huge difference (maybe a few percent against the deck) so don't get too caught up in waiting for suited aces. In this spot a lot of raggy aces and connected paint cards will call you to try and take that bounty (assuming they have deeper stacks), so I would be happy getting it in with AJ as a shortstack.

As for playing the turn, checking is best play IMO. Nothing worse calls you here, you prob won't push better hands out, and getting a free card on the river helps you as much as it helps Vs here.
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09-27-2017 , 07:51 AM
Shoving preflop with almost 19 bb from early position is a bad idea. Depends on the table, I would fold or raise pre.
Your all in on the turn was so bad. You are showing that you have nothing and you don't want them to call. You can try to bet 1/3 of pot which is 2.5 bb and even if you lose you will still have 15 bb in stack. You have a best flush draw and a gut shot, so you can try to make a block bet 1/3 of pot to avoid their 2/3 or higher bets. Sometimes they all will fold. For example: MP called pre with 99 (no hearts), BB called with J8 suited (no hearts). You bet 1/3 on the turn and MP desided to fold his 99 (or maybe there is 88 or AT with no heart). After this BB desided to fold too. It happens very often. And even if they call you will still have a lot of outs. Heart, ten and sometimes ace will help you on the river.
Of course nothing wrong if you just check on the turn.
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09-27-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Snake-glory
Shoving preflop with almost 19 bb from early position is a bad idea. Depends on the table, I would fold or raise pre.
Your all in on the turn was so bad. You are showing that you have nothing and you don't want them to call. You can try to bet 1/3 of pot which is 2.5 bb and even if you lose you will still have 15 bb in stack. You have a best flush draw and a gut shot, so you can try to make a block bet 1/3 of pot to avoid their 2/3 or higher bets. Sometimes they all will fold. For example: MP called pre with 99 (no hearts), BB called with J8 suited (no hearts). You bet 1/3 on the turn and MP desided to fold his 99 (or maybe there is 88 or AT with no heart). After this BB desided to fold too. It happens very often. And even if they call you will still have a lot of outs. Heart, ten and sometimes ace will help you on the river.
Of course nothing wrong if you just check on the turn.
Got it! thanks for the advice. Next time im in that situation ill know what to do.. well depends on table Dynamics but i will definitly know exactly what NOT to do.
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