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Flopped set and donked Flopped set and donked

01-22-2018 , 03:37 PM
Villain is 18/6 over 125 hands. PFR MP is 13%. Cbet 100% (only 1 sample) and agg% very low on later streets

I decided to lead hoping to fake some weak hand and waiting for some raise for any of his draws/big pp.
Didnīt seem very active/aggro guy so thatīs another reason i bet - i mean , i dont want him to check behind

After he folds of course i am disappointed and wondering if the standard check would have been better


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $9 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 85 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37929449

MP3: 16,328 (23.3 bb)
CO: 24,098 (34.4 bb)
BTN: 7,612 (10.9 bb)
SB: 27,855 (39.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 41,777 (59.7 bb)
UTG+1: 32,189 (46 bb)
UTG+2: 34,325 (49 bb)
MP1: 44,884 (64.1 bb)
MP2: 27,116 (38.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 5
4 folds, MP3 raises to 1,750, 3 folds, Hero calls 1,050

Flop: (4,615) T 9 5 (2 players)
Hero bets 2,200, MP3 folds
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01-22-2018 , 03:47 PM
Donkbetting on the flop is rarely a good play. You don't have a large enough sample on villain to have any confidence in his postflop tendencies, so just ignore the stats. And if he checks behind it isn't the worst thing in the world - you want him to catch up and hit something if he whiffed on the flop.

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01-22-2018 , 04:13 PM
Donk is only good if it hits villains range IMO.
Flop is very wet to not have at least ATo/ATs as bottom of our range to donk.
Also villains stack is about 22bb post flop, so you leave him no room to have bluffs in his range when you donk, and narrow it down to AcKc/ATo/ATs/99+
Leave him room to hang himself and check.
If you wanted to donk if you know he can peel a turn with overs, go smaller like 1.9k, even 1.8k looks juicier. he can then peel with his AcXx hands.
Still watch the stack sizes.
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01-22-2018 , 07:55 PM
I dont like the donk bet with bottom set here. Why? We can assume villain has Ax, or medium pocket pairs here. By donk betting your giving away information, especially if he has any blockers in his range that consist of 910. You also lose money to Ax, and some KQ, QJ combos here. The correct play would be to check call villains bet, if the turn comes a brick you should check call again. Then have a bluff size bet by the river. Theirs also the probability that you hand improves to a full house on later streaks which is perfectly disguised.
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01-22-2018 , 09:20 PM
Would prefer if he was deeper but I like it. Would be tough to balance but if you're gonna have a donking range this hand on this texture would fit in to it nicely.

As you say there is a higher than normal chance he checks behind on this texture and there are many turns which kill action or weaken your relative hand strength.

Your polar range here wants to start applying pressure now to access stacks and not allow him to play pot control. Not too relevant here though which is why I'd prefer more depth, also I wouldn't want to give him the opportunity to jam on me after I donk some draws with this handy SPR. We deperately want to be putting in the last bet with draws so check-jam would be preferable with those so you risk being too value heavy when donking.

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Originally Posted by childishnes
I dont like the donk bet with bottom set here. Why? We can assume villain has Ax, or medium pocket pairs here. By donk betting your giving away information, especially if he has any blockers in his range that consist of 910. You also lose money to Ax, and some KQ, QJ combos here. The correct play would be to check call villains bet, if the turn comes a brick you should check call again. Then have a bluff size bet by the river. Theirs also the probability that you hand improves to a full house on later streaks which is perfectly disguised.
Yes, the information is "I have a polarised range on a flop that scrambled ranges/killed your nut advantage. What do you want to do about it pal?"

This passive multi-street check-call game is a nonsense. He doesn't deserve the opportunity to pot control his bluff-catchers and fully realise his equity with the rest of his range on a board where we have 9 combos of top 2 pair and he has as little as 0 just because he's in position and it's traditional.

Last edited by bearer; 01-22-2018 at 09:35 PM.
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01-22-2018 , 10:29 PM
x/r flop might be slightly better than x/c flop to raise turn as we give QJ,KQ and hands with a club free equity on a full board if they check behind turn. Our hand looks really semi bluffy too if we check raise as we can do this with a bunch of combo draws that have flush and overcard/straight draw possiblities which we can have heaps of def from bb, hands like AcXc, 7c8c, jc8c, KcJc are all very much in our def range and its great to check raise our strong made hands like sets to protect our range the times we x/r on a semi bluff
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01-23-2018 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ibimon
Donk is only good if it hits villains range IMO.
Flop is very wet to not have at least ATo/ATs as bottom of our range to donk.
Also villains stack is about 22bb post flop, so you leave him no room to have bluffs in his range when you donk, and narrow it down to AcKc/ATo/ATs/99+
Leave him room to hang himself and check.
If you wanted to donk if you know he can peel a turn with overs, go smaller like 1.9k, even 1.8k looks juicier. he can then peel with his AcXx hands.
Still watch the stack sizes.
Yeah betting 1/2 pot was a mistake , i realized later reviewing the hand
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