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Fist pump shove or hero fold? Fist pump shove or hero fold?

06-25-2019 , 01:13 AM
Micro MTT. Final 3. I'd label villain a reg, not a solid reg but a reg none the less. He knows how to play poker. He was calling large preflop bets since acquiring his stack and had to be on winner's tilt after knocking out 2 players back to back.

My image has to be aggressive. The one thing that gives me a reservation is he makes a comment in the chat box "eeeek" like he is afraid which seems strong giving the action he takes following that.


Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem $9000.00(BB)
HERO ($403714.00) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 19.8% | AGG: 39.4% | 3-Bet: 7.3% | Hands: 26816]
BB ($568797.00) [VPIP: 27.6% | PFR: 11.2% | AGG: 37.9% | 3-Bet: 5.7% | Hands: 222]
BTN ($347489.00) [VPIP: 26.1% | PFR: 23.6% | AGG: 25.3% | 3-Bet: 12.5% | Hands: 162]

Dealt to Hero: A A

BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $28800, BB Calls $19350

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.46 effective]
Flop ($58050.00): Q K 3
BB Checks, HERO Bets $29025 (Rem. Stack: 345889.00), BB Raises To $87075 (Rem. Stack: 452922.00), HERO Calls $58050 (Rem. Stack: 287839.00)

Turn ($232200.00): Q K 3 4
BB Bets $116100 (Rem. Stack: 336822.00), [color=red]

I'm putting his range as 33, AK he didn't 3 bet but they are blocked pretty much by the board and my hand, KQ, KJ, KT. I don't see any bluffs here. For the sake of adding some combos I'll throw in JT.


Hero?
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06-25-2019 , 01:26 AM
id x/c down proly, he can play Kx and JT like this
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06-25-2019 , 01:37 AM
I think 3 handed you're looking at far too narrow a range here

from his point of view, you could be playing like this with AQ, JT, etc... you'll be doing that far more frequently than with AA

I imagine he either has a good K or Q3, K3, KQ combo. I think you beat him a fair amount of time and if he has 2 pair, you are very disguised and it's 3 handed. I think this is just where you get it in and hope he has KT or something

I don't think he'd just call pre with QQ or KK so those would be utter shockers. I also think he'd 3bet with KQ some of the time pre.

33, K3, Q3 are really the only part of his range you're concerned about and if he has that, why would he play back at you on the flop unless he thinks you'll stack off like a donkey?

I would casually guess he has K7-KT here most of the time - hence why he was figured he was ahead on the flop but still tried to take control or maybe get you to fold rather than draw given you likely have broadway and have a lot of outs.
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06-25-2019 , 10:28 AM
just read what I wrote a second time,

what I'm saying is unless he's being really sneaky it's very unlikely he has KK, QQ, KQ or even 33.

3 handed in BvB, even mid pair can be really strong. There's very little you need to be worried about, he could easily be doing this with Kx or even Qx and have some bluffs mixed in.

This is a snap call fist pump in the air all the way.
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06-25-2019 , 01:12 PM
Your opponent range is really off. I think the decision is between call or jam to maximize versus draws. Probably need an ICM in here as well to know for sure. You're def never folding.
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06-25-2019 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Your opponent range is really off. I think the decision is between call or jam to maximize versus draws. Probably need an ICM in here as well to know for sure. You're def never folding.
I do a little over 3x preflop raise and get called.

I lead out half pot and he reraises pot sized.

His range here has to be strong. It's not JJ-88. It's got to be Kx, KQ, 33.

I am repping AA-QQ, AK, maybe JJ, TT trying not to look afraid of the over cards here and he is coming over top of me. He's committing a big portion of his stack here as well.

All of that screams strength. That's why I felt compelled to give him a strong range. Also X-Ray noted "Bets flop strong with strong made hands" forgot to mention that.
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06-25-2019 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
I do a little over 3x preflop raise and get called.

I lead out half pot and he reraises pot sized.

His range here has to be strong. It's not JJ-88. It's got to be Kx, KQ, 33.

I am repping AA-QQ, AK, maybe JJ, TT trying not to look afraid of the over cards here and he is coming over top of me. He's committing a big portion of his stack here as well.

All of that screams strength. That's why I felt compelled to give him a strong range. Also X-Ray noted "Bets flop strong with strong made hands" forgot to mention that.
You don't play 3 handed very often do you?

You're repping bull****, as is he. If anything, that reraise of his is weaker than it is stronger because if he has it then he's often blocking you, in which case you're likely bluffing so he should be letting you bluff into him. He's either worried about a draw, bluffing you, or doesn't think very highly of you as a poker player.

Not to be a d*ck or nothing, but given you actually believe you're repping a premium just by raising pre and cbetting and that he clearly has a made hand because he called and reraised, I wouldn't put it past him to be leaning towards the latter option.

There are going to be coolers here or there, but if you play 3 handed always worried about coolers you won't get many chances to play heads up.

You also gotta factor in ICM pressure. He knows you have every incentive in the world not to play a massive pot unless you have the nuts and the nuts come very rarely.

I'd put you ahead of him at least 80% of the time, those times you're ahead, you still have outs. I just think he's applying ICM pressure here.

Last edited by rickroll; 06-25-2019 at 03:13 PM.
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06-25-2019 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
You don't play 3 handed very often do you?

You're repping bull****, as is he. If anything, that reraise of his is weaker than it is stronger because if he has it then he's often blocking you, in which case you're likely bluffing so he should be letting you bluff into him. He's either worried about a draw, bluffing you, or doesn't think very highly of you as a poker player.

Not to be a d*ck or nothing, but given you actually believe you're repping a premium just by raising pre and cbetting and that he clearly has a made hand because he called and reraised, I wouldn't put it past him to be leaning towards the latter option.

There are going to be coolers here or there, but if you play 3 handed always worried about coolers you won't get many chances to play heads up.
I've played plenty of final table spots like this. I don't recall blind vs blind ever getting to the point of a raising war where there was almost a pot sized bet left in the effective stack. It is obvious neither of us are going away.

I think you are giving villain too much credit as a player. Most of the hands I have on him were from this tournament. He isn't this creative. He's never bluffing here from what I've seen from him. This is definitely some kind of cooler situation for one of us.

Last edited by Lozgod; 06-25-2019 at 03:10 PM.
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06-25-2019 , 04:25 PM
everyone here is in the unanimous agreement you are giving him way too much credit and this is a 100% get it in moment

the point of posting threads here isn't to find that one guy to confirm for you that you made the right decision and make you feel better about yourself

I'm also calling lolsamplesize, you obviously don't get in this spot very often because your reasoning is patently absurd. You are treating this as if you raised from UTG+1 and he called from MP in a full ring

These raising wars happen all the time 3 handed in BvB where one guy has J7 and the other K8 or it's A4 vs Q9 etc etc - fact you don't understand this is fine, that you keep on arguing against a room full of people all telling you otherwise is what's so inscrutable

Also, he may not think he's bluffing with Kx here. Kx indeed crushes your overall range with this flop - just doesn't happen to do all that well when you have aces

Last edited by rickroll; 06-25-2019 at 04:52 PM.
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06-25-2019 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
everyone here is in the unanimous agreement you are giving him way too much credit and this is a 100% get it in moment

the point of posting threads here isn't to find that one guy to confirm for you that you made the right decision and make you feel better about yourself

I'm also calling lolsamplesize, you obviously don't get in this spot very often because your reasoning is patently absurd. You are treating this as if you raised from UTG+1 and he called from MP in a full ring

These raising wars happen all the time 3 handed in BvB where one guy has J7 and the other K8 or it's A4 vs Q9 etc etc - fact you don't understand this is fine, that you keep on arguing against a room full of people all telling you otherwise is what's so inscrutable

Also, he may think he's bluffing with Kx here. Kx indeed crushes your overall range with this flop - just doesn't happen to do all that well when you have aces
Well I didn't fold. I wasn't folding any other streets either so I got it in. I'm at work and don't have access to the hand but it was a cooler. He had KQss. I was arguing to see if anyone would agree and would of gotten away here. Everyone in agreement actually makes me feel better about it.

Flopzilla gave me the ranges I mentioned. In real time I didn't put those hands in his range. I did but not just those.

One thing though. 98% of poker players are losing players long term. Going against the grain isn't a bad thing.
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06-25-2019 , 05:02 PM
I meant to write that I thought he wouldn't view Kx here as a bluff, edited it now to reflect that - it was supposed to say "he may not think he's bluffing with Kx here"

yeah man, this was a cooler

I'm a little surprised he would play KQ like that because when he has KQ that means you're bluffing there most of the time. He's a pretty bad player IMO who luckboxed his way into a cooler.

you should familiarize yourself with nash equilibrium going forward https://www.holdemresources.net/hune to better understand just how much looser you need to get in these BvB short stack situations
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06-25-2019 , 09:20 PM
How come your HH is all weird.. bb checks before sb acts otf is it a drive hud thing?
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