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09-21-2017 , 10:21 PM
Defend big blind and flop a flush draw. Call or fold to overbet jam ?

PokerStars - 6000/12000 Ante 1500 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 45.23 BB
SB: 16.1 BB
Hero (BB): 22.8 BB
UTG: 47.23 BB
UTG+1: 23.76 BB
MP: 25.16 BB
MP+1: 25.54 BB
CO: 24.67 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 4 J Q
Hero checks, CO bets 21.54 BB and is all-in, Hero ??

Thanks in advance for responses.
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09-21-2017 , 11:39 PM
There's close to 5.5bb out there once CO raises 3x. I think 3b jamming is fine as we put tons of ICM pressure on CO. AP OTF we have to fold as we are behind any made hand and it would be a disaster to bust here with so many players having 20 - 25bb stacks.
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09-22-2017 , 08:38 AM
Fold on the flop. Preflop call or 3bet, depends on the opponent. If he folds often vs 3bet then make a 3bet, if he likes to call 3bets then just call him. 3bet AI is too dangerous with your stack. If he is very aggressive and does not like to fold vs 3bet then you can try to go AI preflop.
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09-22-2017 , 09:57 AM
I'm curious, what do people think CO's rationale is for the way he played the flop?

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09-22-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
I'm curious, what do people think CO's rationale is for the way he played the flop?

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Whatever CO has likely is capped and wont improve, like pocket pair less than JJ. CO can not check back and desperately wants to fold out any draws. Maybe even a scared AA or a badly played set. CO just wants the hand over with. If CO is bluffing, then well played so be it.
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09-22-2017 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
Whatever CO has likely is capped and wont improve, like pocket pair less than JJ. CO can not check back and desperately wants to fold out any draws. Maybe even a scared AA or a badly played set. CO just wants the hand over with. If CO is bluffing, then well played so be it.
Just seems like a stupid risk to take given ICM. Though I suppose it avoids the possibility of betting and getting shoved on by a draw. This way he knows he's only getting called by a monster.

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09-22-2017 , 12:22 PM
Thanks for your responses.....

PokerStars - 6000/12000 Ante 1500 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 45.23 BB
SB: 16.1 BB
Hero (BB): 22.8 BB
UTG: 47.23 BB
UTG+1: 23.76 BB
MP: 25.16 BB
MP+1: 25.54 BB
CO: 24.67 BB

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 4 J Q
Hero checks, CO bets 21.54 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 19.68 BB and is all-in

Turn: (46.86 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (46.86 BB, 2 players) T

Hero shows 7 A (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 31%, Flop 47%, Turn 89%)
CO shows K A (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 69%, Flop 53%, Turn 11%)
CO wins 46.86 BB

It appeared to be a really odd play and didn't seem to correspond to any sort of value range. I put villain on a range consisting of straight draws, AK, Jx and potentially a poorly played underpair to the board. I put a wider/stronger range than this into the equity calculator, including overpairs, sets, 2 pairs, and some Qx and it gave me 41.5%. I was going for the win and with the other stacks it seemed like a good spot to accumulate, although I'd like to know what somebody more versed in ICM situations would say as it was close in pure odds terms.

Any constructive critique on my rationale would also be appreciated, haven't played for a while so trying to feel my way back in. All the best.
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09-24-2017 , 04:16 AM
I would mix in some rejam pre if I feel CO has a high steal % or was targeting my bb often in the last few orbits. We do have a suited ace blocker, otherwise majority of the time would call.

flop obv sucks because there is a small chance he has worse draws like KT,T9,AT or worse clubs, I dont expect him to play the top of his range like this. I don't mind a call if there was no icm considerations but here on the FT I would fold.

note: we actually have 47% equity vs his AK as our 7 is live, even vs a hand like KQ,KK we have 45%. So its a +ev call with 8bb of dead money in the middle and 19bb behind.
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09-24-2017 , 05:14 AM
Would think it's a call or shove pre


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09-24-2017 , 08:02 AM
I can't decide whether villain's play is suicidal or brilliant from an ICM perspective

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09-24-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain-Hindsight
Would think it's a call or shove pre


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I meant shove or fold pre. I know folding looks tight but in a FT I think it's fine


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09-25-2017 , 09:08 AM
If the opponent opens to 3x as default and has some decent stats, I would definitely shove preflop. However if his open to 3x is exception, I would be more careful and just flatted. On the flop you have to fold. You are almost always behind and there are better situations to get it in with. Also, you are on FT so that plays huge role. That is where you make the most $$$.
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