ACR $11 $2K GTD final 3 tables

Villains flop raise here didn't make too much sense to me. Even though we are 30bb deep (BTN will most likely shove 22-QQ <25bb deep), I don't think he takes this line preflop with {99, 88, 66}. He can definitely have 98s or 87s of spades, but this is only 3c. He also has all JTs, QJs, QTs and random spades.

The open is a bit on the looser side, but this is a very soft/tight table and I've been running it over. I am, however, not too sure about my flop cbet here, but I've been generally too passive in these spots so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 1250/2500 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 5.58 BB (VPIP: 15.48, PFR: 13.41, 3Bet Preflop: 10.71, Hands: 85)
BB: 29.65 BB (VPIP: 23.40, PFR: 15.05, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 95)
UTG: 10.25 BB (VPIP: 14.41, PFR: 11.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 121)
UTG+1: 10.43 BB (VPIP: 8.96, PFR: 4.69, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 67)
Hero (MP): 76.6 BB
CO: 14.22 BB (VPIP: 8.82, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 35)
BTN: 29.54 BB (VPIP: 20.11, PFR: 17.06, 3Bet Preflop: 4.84, Hands: 175)

7 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.34 BB) Hero has K 5

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.24 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.24 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.82 BB, 2 players) 6 9 8
Hero bets 3.84 BB, BTN raises to 10.09 BB, Hero raises to 74.24 BB and is all-in

If it is a soft and tight table which you have been running over why do you think he is suddenly getting very loose and aggressive?

You're behind everything.

Pairs, combo draws, and A7, Axss

He puts 12.5bb from his 30bb stack and you expect a fold?
What hands flats a TAG player OTB vs aggro chip leader? Suited connectors, suited aces, pairs and some suited Broadways. And traps too
You are behind everything and your fold equity is 0.

Pre is nice, I like it. But why you cbet?? If you want to cbet there are better hands and if you fire with this hand you have to fold to more aggression. Bet/fold and check/fold turn and river if you want to bluff with 0 equity

I decided to cbet here because K5dd does have a bit of backdoor equity, but it can't really x/c. I'm not sure if this guy was deciding to "make a stand" or he was autopilot raising some kind of a draw here, but something about the raise just seemed weak to me. Maybe it was his sizing... I'm not sure.

But FWIW, I got the fold

Make sure your assessing the stack layout behind before opening. Co has good shove stack and sb has micro stack. You want to start getting a bit more be r/c heavy when the layout behind has good reshove stacks.

Basically what they said above but generally the deeper btn is the wider his range can be to start the hand. He can have most suited connectors and like J9s,Q9s,K9s and all suited and offsuit aces, broadways and small to med pairs.

Also thats a bad board to cb, wet boards get less folds then dry because draws have to continue often until the river and we don't block the fd and oesd

fold preflop.

You're wrong about this, but thanks

I think I was okay opening here because those shorter stacks were playing pretty tight. Anyway, the SB stack had no fold equity, so he wasn't going to be shoving w/o a hand, and we can still call with ~35-40% equity with the BB + ante dead money.

In a vacuum, what is your strategy here on this board? Check/calling seems terrible, check/folding seems bad, and check/raising also seems overly ambitious. We can also have all the draws, sets, two pairs, and overpairs in our range here, so I think we have to find some creative bets, don't we?

The line is bet/fold, fold to further aggression
It simple and more if you say they are playing tight and passive. Follow your read. Adjust and adapt.

Don't try to get creative and suffer FPS

You're wrong about this, but thanks actually. You get jammed on so much and well your hand is junky somewhat.

Why do you think btn is jamming 22-88 tho pre? Also if his range is value and you're banking on the combo draws being the weak part that's not ideal cause you're flipping or behind those combos.

If you're running over a table then why are you wanting to massively increase your variance? If they're letting your run them over they're not defending optimally which means when they do step up it's likely strength. This flop doesn't really hit your range very hard either and you basically never have 2prs which mitigate a lot of your combos for wanting to get it in.

K5s is a standard HJ open/fold here for 20bb+ and is even better imo with the SB at 5bb (who had been playing super nitty as a short stack). Vs a conservative range of about 22% for the SB to “jam” over our open, we still have 37% equity, and SB is folding 78% of the time anyway.

CO is playing super tight and BTN and BB don’t seem to be too aggressive pre. BB also had a high fold to steal. So I’m fine trying the open. If we start getting jammed on frequently, we can tighten our opening ranges, but we have no incentive otherwise, especially since we are super deep. BTN was deeper than I thought, but 20bb should be jamming 22-QQ here vs a HJ open. For 30bb it’s 99-TT.

This and not to mention the fact that commenting “fold pre.” contributes absolutely nothing to a thread whatsoever.

As far as the 3bet goes, I’m not defending it. I can definitely see how on paper the raise from a weak TAG seems nutted, but for some reason my intuition told me that it was weak, so I decided to try it (it’s only a $2K after all and I’d still have a large stack) and it worked. The question in this post after all was “exploitative.” Barring any additional reads, bet/fold looks good.

I mean what else should someone say for pre besides fold?

How is sb a nit when his 3b frequency is at 10? CO is super tight over 35 hands seems like not much to base on. A 20/17 isn't exactly a nit but it's not a maniac.

I mean I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree that a btn player that "doesn't seem to be too agressive pre" is apparently now jamming 30 bigs with 22-66 aprox. It seems you're making a narrative to fit a marginally +ev spot (if that) when the chips we have are much more valuable than the chips we gain. Basically what I mean is you should be taking +$ev spots not +cEv spots.

Anything that even remotely contributes to the discussion is a good place to start. "I think opening K5s might be a little too loose here because XYZ." We all know commenting only "fold pre" is just condescendingly insinuating "you're stupid."

His 3b frequency says 10, but probably all or most of the hands I have on him were when he was short. Also don't forget that this is a short-handed table with .125% ante. But that being said, I just realized the stats are wrong for some reason. My HUD is sorted by stack size/players at table and I don't think the above stats are. On the actual HH, BB is playing 17/9 over 47 hands, CO is 0/0 over 18 hands, and SB is only 4 hands. BTN is 13/10/0 over 70 hands, which I think argues for an open, but yes, also not a flop 3bet.

Weaker players prefer to jam pocket pairs preflop. I don't consider this aggression, just more so that it's an easier way to play them than seeing a flop (and often correct). I think you misread my last reply though. At 20bb it's most +EV to shove 22-QQ, and at 30bb 99-TT.

I mean if your hud stats were misrepped then all the discussion is partially useless.

I understand. I'm saying even 20bb shouldn't jam 22 that's just too weak vs what calls us. Better to have hands blocking their call range like say A5s if we had to scrape the bottom of our ranges somewhat.

Tbh it's low stakes mtt forum dude and 2p2 has been like mother earth. If someone writes fold pre it's better than not replying and I don't think it's condescending at all. I think it's just saying it's a fringe spot fold. There can be some explanation but sometimes I don't want to or feel that I should have to type out long replies. Which sometimes I do or don't as I'm sure others feel as well.


If the stacks were normal and an ante in play 7 handed I don't mind raising K5s some % of the time based on flow but this spot seems better to preserve somewhat. It just sucks putting in 6 blinds to call off or having to fold etc when that happens more than we want even if they're nitty. Like you can find better hands to exploit them in the cutoff for the times they call cause they'll be at the top. K5 is dominated by a lot of their flatting range and it makes cbetting trying to use single and double barrels awkward since K5s doesn't flop well to give you gutshots, backdoor equity etc which is how we wanna use our combos to implement creative bluffs into our ranges on various textures.

x/r flop is also an option.

I don't think x/f is a bad line
flop hits btn range better than ours we're pretty much up the creek on most turns when BTN flats.
Flop shove seems like spew to me V should call pretty light given our image - there are so many better hands to do this with