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EV calculation of shoving EV calculation of shoving

09-25-2017 , 03:12 PM
Hi,

I have been making some calculations of EV when shoving from UTG in a 9handed MTT with 10% ante and comparing it with a simulation by holdem resources.

The calculations I made I used a formula provided from this article.
https://redchippoker.com/shoving-ace-high-preflop-math/
The formula is as follows:

EV=F($Pot)+C(%W*$W)-C(%L*$L)

F=Times villain folds
C=Times villain calls
F+C=100%
W%+L%=100%

F and C: Estimations of how often villain will call your shove
%W and %L: Based upon your equity when called
$Pot: The pot size before you shove
$W: What you win when villain calls your shove

Let's say we want to see whether or not A8s with 10bbs utg is a proftiable shove, we expect to get call the most by the big blind 11.5% of times(according to holdemresources). Now we have the information we need to make the calculation.

EV=0.885(2.4)+0.115(0.3788*21.4)-0.115(0.6212*10)
which computes to +2.34; so A8s is going to win us 2.34 big blinds on average when we shove?

Why is this number not the same as holdem resources calculated? which is instead +0.04(http://hands.holdemresources.net/?id=1wpugfylkjc5q)
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09-25-2017 , 06:23 PM
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EV=0.885(2.4)+0.115(0.3788*21.4)-0.115(0.6212*10)
Edit:
EV=0.885(2.4)+0.115(0.3788*11.4)-0.115(0.6212*10)=1.9

Still doesn't match holdem resources
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09-29-2017 , 07:53 AM
anyone keen on helping me
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09-29-2017 , 08:22 AM
I think that this is because there is a risk of getting called by someone else than BB, in which case we're almost always behind. In your calculation you're assuming that everyone except BB is given a worse hand 100% of the time.
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09-29-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Tobeeaz
I think that this is because there is a risk of getting called by someone else than BB, in which case we're almost always behind. In your calculation you're assuming that everyone except BB is given a worse hand 100% of the time.
That makes a lot of sense actually, cannot believe I didnt think of it
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