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07-16-2018 , 12:28 PM

tonylonn

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 14

Now I will give you all I know about this player and all my thinking to lay this hand down. And please give me all your reasons to not fold the hand.

UTG 2 statistic:

307 hands. PFR 21%. Cbet 50%. If not betting on flop, folding 64%. Checkraise 5%.

Poker Stars, $2.94 Buy-in (25/50 blinds, 5 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37935057

UTG+2: 9,975 (199.5 bb)
MP1: 9,900 (198 bb)
MP2: 9,850 (197 bb)
MP3: 9,850 (197 bb)
CO: 10,338 (206.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): 10,120 (202.4 bb)
SB: 9,875 (197.5 bb)
BB: 9,897 (197.9 bb)
UTG+1: 10,195 (203.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 125, 4 folds, Hero calls 125, SB folds, BB calls 75

Flop: (445) 2

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets 150, 2 folds

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The reasons to call pf is if the player not betting I can steal the pot quite easy. Second reason, im the button and will be the last to act and if the flop suites me, this can be a quite good hand.

Should U played the hand in a different way?

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07-16-2018 , 02:44 PM

HawkesDave

adept

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1,173

If his cbet % is only 50% then he's probably not cbetting when he has a board with a range disadvantage. This isn't a very good flop for his UTG+2 range so when he cbets into 2 other players I'm inclined to believe he has something made already. Worst case, he has a much bigger Ace. I don't think you have any SDV in this case, and I don't see much point in floating the flop when you have such a small amount of equity going forward (and no reasonable bluff cards in your holding to take advantage of).

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07-16-2018 , 03:57 PM

tonylonn

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 14

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Originally Posted by HawkesDave

Thanks for the reply.

Well, this is my default play, its av ev+ in the long run, i think. Where do you think the borderline call is? 66% C-bet? 80% C-bet?

The funny thing is that if the c-bet is 90-100% you need att better startinghand but to call all you need is to catch bottom pair or a low draw. The 3.5-4.0 odds you get in in this situation is a easy call on any draw.

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07-17-2018 , 12:40 AM

Chief_h

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 180

The problem here is that even if his cb % is higher you have no good outs. If an A lands and he has a bigger A, you are going to loose chips. T would be better but he might still be ahead with an overpair. You can get the pot only with a bluff when a small card comes and he decides to x/f the turn. Maybe with a bdfd floating becomes more attractive. Without it this was a speculative hand preflop, you missed, time to let it go.

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07-17-2018 , 02:50 AM

animashadow

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Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 4

Consider 3beting pre. ATs and other suited broadways play very well this deep.
As played easy fold on the flop IMO, without backdoor diamonds. Vilain cbeting into 3 opp should be perceived much stronger then cbeting hu or even 3way. nh

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07-17-2018 , 04:27 AM

cizixap

adept

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,027

there is no shame to fold, we dont have even bdfd on this board..it's also multiway pot..

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07-17-2018 , 08:22 AM

Darth_Maul

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

It's fine. It's early, a small pot, no need to get crazy here. Move on to the next hand.

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07-18-2018 , 01:31 AM

CannucksHakey

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 38

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Originally Posted by animashadow

Absolutely would not 3bet this deep, what happens when he 4bets? Against UTG+2 he dominates your range. As played this is very standard.

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07-18-2018 , 02:02 AM

tonylonn

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 14

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Originally Posted by CannucksHakey

Absolutely would not 3bet this deep, what happens when he 4bets? Against UTG+2 he dominates your range. As played this is very standard.

Right. When 3 bet you miss the oportunity to see a speculative hand cheeply.

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