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Old 10-17-2018, 02:04 AM   #1
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Early in a $22 Progressive KO

PokerStars - 300/600 Ante 75 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 22,141 (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 54)
UTG+1: 27,857 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 27,875 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 23,305 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: 34,135 (VPIP: 35.42, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 50)
BTN: 59,849 (VPIP: 26.53, PFR: 12.77, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 49)
SB: 26,357 (VPIP: 21.59, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 88)
Hero (BB): 36,497

8 players post ante of 75, SB posts SB 300, Hero posts BB 600

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,500) Hero has 9 J

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 1,200, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 600

Flop: (3,300, 2 players) 7 6 8
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 1,650, Hero calls 1,650

Turn: (6,600, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, MP+1 checks

River: (6,600, 2 players) K
Hero bets 4,290, MP+1 calls 4,290

How do you guys feel about my preflop call? What about the flop? Should I have bet or check raised? What about the check turn, or the river bet I made? So many questions.
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:30 AM   #2
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Re: Early in a $22 Progressive KO

I think this is one of those hands that I would 3-bet preflop.
AP x/raise OTF
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:23 AM   #3
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Re: Early in a $22 Progressive KO

seems like a pretty std defend pre

Thats definately our flop when it comes to bb range advantage, so lets x/r now and barrel off
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:58 AM   #4
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Re: Early in a $22 Progressive KO

Flat pre. Our 3b frequency is going to go thru the roof if we start 3 betting hands like this out of the bb vs mp open. X/r flop.

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Old 10-17-2018, 09:08 AM   #5
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Re: Early in a $22 Progressive KO

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seems like a pretty std defend pre

Thats definately our flop when it comes to bb range advantage, so lets x/r now and barrel off
40bb effective - if we x/r the flop and villain shoves, you're happy getting it in as a likely 2:1 dog? Our hand isn't nearly as strong as it looks against villain's getting it in range, but it also seems too good to x/r and fold to a shove.

So I'm fine with the hand as played, although the river is a low percentage play.
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:36 AM   #6
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Flat pre. Our 3b frequency is going to go thru the roof if we start 3 betting hands like this out of the bb vs mp open. X/r flop.

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Old 10-17-2018, 09:38 AM   #7
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40bb effective - if we x/r the flop and villain shoves, you're happy getting it in as a likely 2:1 dog? Our hand isn't nearly as strong as it looks against villain's getting it in range, but it also seems too good to x/r and fold to a shove.

So I'm fine with the hand as played, although the river is a low percentage play.
If he wants to overjam 20k behind into 9k pot inc bounty vs our flop x/r range im happy for him to do so.. we would easily come out on top in this scenario.. we have an easy fold when we at the bottom of our x/r range and an easy call when we on the top, it makes our desicions really easy and allows us to play perfectly.

We need to pick some non value hands to include in a flop x/r range, this is a perfect candidate for just that as we are up and down with bdfd and 2 overs and we block some of his value hands like 99,JJ. Also this texture hits our range much better than his so we need to exploit this fact.
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:21 AM   #8
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If he wants to overjam 20k behind into 9k pot inc bounty vs our flop x/r range im happy for him to do so.. we would easily come out on top in this scenario.. we have an easy fold when we at the bottom of our x/r range and an easy call when we on the top, it makes our desicions really easy and allows us to play perfectly.
It isn't exactly an overjam. If he has a hand he's willing to go with, 4b jamming is the natural play after you x/r. He's not going to 4b to 12k or whatever when he has 20k behind.

But my point is hero's hand is more of a middling draw, not strong enough to gii but also too good to play as a bluff. We're not quite at the bottom of our range here. If I had something like 55 or 43dd, then I would happily x/r and fold to a shove.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:19 AM   #9
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Re: Early in a $22 Progressive KO

Problem with bluffing river is he knows he induced a bluff after checking back turn. Doesn't matter if you cant have any bluffs (you can here), he induced in his mind and is ready to call sensible bets with anything marginal, and you can't overbet here.

I'd always lead turn here if I didn't raise flop for the reasons Darth_Maul stated. If deep we're playing a big pot from the flop. He has no business cbetting.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:37 AM   #10
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40bb effective - if we x/r the flop and villain shoves, you're happy getting it in as a likely 2:1 dog? Our hand isn't nearly as strong as it looks against villain's getting it in range, but it also seems too good to x/r and fold to a shove.

So I'm fine with the hand as played, although the river is a low percentage play.
if we x/r PBS otf, then V needs to defend by either shoving or calling 50% of the time to make x/r break-even(as a bluff). I really don't think that he can scrape 50% of value hands on this board with his perceived range:
22+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,76s,65s,54s ,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:03 PM   #11
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Re: Early in a $22 Progressive KO

For some reason I thought you were shorter and the river bet was all in.

Raise flop or lead turn. As played if you like a bluff, overbet and give him something to bluffcatch.
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