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01-25-2019 , 05:21 PM
Hi guys

V is 15/6 in 25 hands

I win some equity with that T , but i think it fits V´s range too !!

What should we do in these situations , c/c or double barrel? I feel that if i strike again i can make him fold any middle pair....perhaps, but not sure if there is a "standard line" in these spots

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.90 Buy-in (40/80 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 9,428 (117.9 bb)
BB: 10,000 (125 bb)
UTG+1: 11,822 (147.8 bb)
UTG+2: 9,764 (122.1 bb)
MP1: 10,120 (126.5 bb)
Hero (MP2): 9,285 (116.1 bb)
MP3: 9,335 (116.7 bb)
CO: 11,416 (142.7 bb)
BTN: 20,040 (250.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A K
3 folds, Hero raises to 200, 2 folds, BTN calls 200, SB folds, BB calls 120

Flop: (640) J J 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 250, BTN calls 250, BB folds

Turn: (1,140) T (2 players)
Hero ?
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01-25-2019 , 05:56 PM
Yes, bet... lots of small and middle pairs are folding out. I'd go around half pot or even slightly above since I wouldn't plan on tripling if he calls two streets.
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01-26-2019 , 03:25 AM
Don’t bet, BU has a tonne of PP and Jx Tx
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01-26-2019 , 02:29 PM
haha looks there is no agreement in the first two posts !!!
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01-27-2019 , 07:18 AM
It would be in my double barrel range.
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01-27-2019 , 10:11 AM
yes I'm with the double barrel given extra equity from turn card
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01-28-2019 , 11:03 AM
Anybody check this flop though? Multiway pot, which don't have position, and all pairs and Jx will call.
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01-29-2019 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
Anybody check this flop though? Multiway pot, which don't have position, and all pairs and Jx will call.
Only as a an exploitative option. This is in my standard c-bet range, but if my opponent plays straight forward if I check, I might check here with this hand.

But I can tell you that if I were the button and you check to me, I am betting almost my whole range. Then what? Are you planning to check/call down with AK here?

Here the hand sample is only 25 hands, so I will still treat the villain as a near unknown. Although he appears to be the type that if his stats hold up over a larger sample, I would check to him. I just don't know if 25 hands is large enough to deviate from the standard line.
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01-29-2019 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
Only as a an exploitative option. This is in my standard c-bet range, but if my opponent plays straight forward if I check, I might check here with this hand.

But I can tell you that if I were the button and you check to me, I am betting almost my whole range. Then what? Are you planning to check/call down with AK here?

Here the hand sample is only 25 hands, so I will still treat the villain as a near unknown. Although he appears to be the type that if his stats hold up over a larger sample, I would check to him. I just don't know if 25 hands is large enough to deviate from the standard line.
Keep in mind there are 2 villains and we're sandwiched between them. In a spot like this if we CB we are committing ourselves to a multistreet bluff.
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01-29-2019 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
Keep in mind there are 2 villains and we're sandwiched between them. In a spot like this if we CB we are committing ourselves to a multistreet bluff.
In today's game we have to be willing to commit to a multi-street bluff anytime we decide to bluff. Planning a 1 street bluff is so 1990's poker. It doesn't work anymore. Most bluffs need to be at least 2 streets to work. If they both call, then i would re-evaluate my line on the turn. But when at least 1 checks to me, I am c-betting. If I were OOP to both, again different analysis.
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01-29-2019 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
In today's game we have to be willing to commit to a multi-street bluff anytime we decide to bluff. Planning a 1 street bluff is so 1990's poker. It doesn't work anymore. Most bluffs need to be at least 2 streets to work. If they both call, then i would re-evaluate my line on the turn. But when at least 1 checks to me, I am c-betting. If I were OOP to both, again different analysis.
All I'm suggesting is you don't have to take this line here, you could play it as a x/c and see what develops.
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01-30-2019 , 03:22 AM
Bet more otf. It's usually a good idea to cbet turns after this flop texture.
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01-30-2019 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
Bet more otf. It's usually a good idea to cbet turns after this flop texture.
Oh ! This is a surprise ! I thought that in these dry flops it was enough to make a small cbet (i use by default a 39% size for these)...why betting more?
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01-30-2019 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by miguelin43
Oh ! This is a surprise ! I thought that in these dry flops it was enough to make a small cbet (i use by default a 39% size for these)...why betting more?
Small CB is correct here, they're not folding anything to a larger bet they wouldn't fold to a smaller one. Small CB followed by larger turn barrel works well in spots like this.
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01-31-2019 , 03:10 PM
Easy double barrel
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