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Do I need to run multi-street bluffs? Do I need to run multi-street bluffs?

11-21-2018 , 07:19 PM
PokerStars - 60/120 Ante 12 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 28.05 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+1: 106.37 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 15)
MP: 157.89 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP+1: 29.74 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (MP+2): 78.67 BB
CO: 21.93 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BTN: 28.73 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 20.58 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 76.52 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 6 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.1 BB, CO raises to 6.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.1 BB

Flop: (14.8 BB, 2 players) 8 2 7
Hero checks, CO bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (20.8 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (28.8 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, CO bets 8.63 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 8.63 BB

CO shows Q A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 70%, Flop 50%, Turn 66%)
Hero shows 6 A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 30%, Flop 50%, Turn 34%)
CO wins 46.07 BB

PokerStars - 200/400 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 18.95 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 14.52 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 9)
CO: 29.67 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 69)
BTN: 83.99 BB (VPIP: 26.58, PFR: 11.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 79)
SB: 6.81 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 11.65 BB (VPIP: 15.29, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 87)
Hero (UTG): 22.39 BB
UTG+1: 50.03 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
MP: 106.91 BB (VPIP: 39.24, PFR: 16.46, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)

9 players post ante of 0.06 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.06 BB) Hero has J K

Hero raises to 2.1 BB, UTG+1 calls 2.1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.26 BB, 2 players) 7 Q A
Hero bets 2.07 BB, UTG+1 calls 2.07 BB

Turn: (10.4 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

River: (16.4 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 5 BB, fold

UTG+1 wins 16.4 BB
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11-21-2018 , 07:28 PM
Just check-jam flop in the first hand, easy game.
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11-21-2018 , 09:40 PM
Hand 1 is more likely a 4b or fold spot pre when villain 3b from that stack. Donkjamming the flop when the SPR is roughly 1 would be fine here, I think. As played, check/jamming vs that tiny sizing.

Hand 2 is a debatable open. We are flatted by UTG+1 so I’d imagine their range is on the tighter side as well (although stats could mean they are wider than normal). Bet once/give up might be ok here but not loving it.
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11-21-2018 , 11:18 PM
hand one just fold pre, A6 doesn't play well oop vs most 3b ranges esp to unknown.. also 3b 20bb and not shoving is a bit suspicious.. think hes more likely to be at the top of his range then the bottom.

AP id just jam the flop
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11-21-2018 , 11:21 PM
hand 2: fold pre

AP: cb and sizing is fine but once were calling im happy to give it up, his flatting range does contain a few Ax combos
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11-22-2018 , 12:29 AM
Thanks everyone, I'm just going to fold both of these pre next time as suggested. I do know that opening KJo UTG and calling a 3bet w/ a6 is a little bit wide but if played again I will be jamming H1.

Last edited by IHitBTNS; 11-22-2018 at 12:50 AM.
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11-22-2018 , 07:20 AM
OP, I read several posts from you and I am just saying, maybe you can revise your preflop ranges as they seem to be unnecessary loose.
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11-22-2018 , 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corpsey
Hand 1 is more likely a 4b or fold spot pre when villain 3b from that stack. Donkjamming the flop when the SPR is roughly 1 would be fine here, I think. As played, check/jamming vs that tiny sizing.

Hand 2 is a debatable open. We are flatted by UTG+1 so I’d imagine their range is on the tighter side as well (although stats could mean they are wider than normal). Bet once/give up might be ok here but not loving it.
Agree with this
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11-22-2018 , 02:33 PM
Hand 1 I would also c/r the flop, put him all in and see what happens, he will often fold but if he calls you have a decent draw so whatever. Obviously you have no read on villain yet but I would assume that his little 3bb c-bet is weak and that he was not thrilled by the flop.

Hand 2 i would fold pre. You are too short to play weak hands utg. As played I would either keep betting on the turn or I would check-fold and save the 3 bb's. I would never check-call the turn here with a gut shot, there is already a pair and a flush draw on board, your gut shot is not even drawing to the nuts so why do that. I suppose you could x-raise all in, since you have already squandered about 20% of your stack and it is probably the only way you will win the hand once you check the turn. But be prepared to be snapped off by some sort of A-x hand more often than not.

Interesting that the hands you posted seem to have no relation to the thread title. What's up with that? Anyway yes, you do need to be prepared to run multi-street bluffs now and then, but not too often. Maybe not without any reads whatsoever, and be cautious when there are either short stacks or monster stacks (or both) in the hand. Hand 1 you are not bluffing, you are drawing. Hand 2, a multi-street bluff was your best chance of winning.
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11-22-2018 , 04:58 PM
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11-22-2018 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
Hand 1 I would also c/r the flop, put him all in and see what happens, he will often fold but if he calls you have a decent draw so whatever. Obviously you have no read on villain yet but I would assume that his little 3bb c-bet is weak and that he was not thrilled by the flop.

Hand 2 i would fold pre. You are too short to play weak hands utg. As played I would either keep betting on the turn or I would check-fold and save the 3 bb's. I would never check-call the turn here with a gut shot, there is already a pair and a flush draw on board, your gut shot is not even drawing to the nuts so why do that. I suppose you could x-raise all in, since you have already squandered about 20% of your stack and it is probably the only way you will win the hand once you check the turn. But be prepared to be snapped off by some sort of A-x hand more often than not.

Interesting that the hands you posted seem to have no relation to the thread title. What's up with that? Anyway yes, you do need to be prepared to run multi-street bluffs now and then, but not too often. Maybe not without any reads whatsoever, and be cautious when there are either short stacks or monster stacks (or both) in the hand. Hand 1 you are not bluffing, you are drawing. Hand 2, a multi-street bluff was your best chance of winning.
Thank you, very helpful - sincerely, a fish
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11-22-2018 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
( ) multi street bluffs
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