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Deep in weekend bigger 5.5, lots of biscuits for top 1. Deep in weekend bigger 5.5, lots of biscuits for top 1.

03-19-2018 , 08:44 AM
Hands on villain 130 Villain pfr EP 18% from 18 hands
Fold to 3bet 50%, one time on CO, other time he called 3bet on MP
In 3bet pots he folds 50% to c-bets and calls 50% of c-bets
agression % flop 25,turn58,river43


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (1,500/3,000 blinds, 375 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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CO: 104,397 (34.8 bb)
BTN: 51,508 (17.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 170,858 (57 bb)
BB: 27,003 (9 bb)
UTG+1: 73,968 (24.7 bb)
UTG+2: 178,821 (59.6 bb)
MP1: 125,830 (41.9 bb)
MP2: 277,228 (92.4 bb)
MP3: 16,395 (5.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 6,000, 5 folds, Hero raises to 17,123, BB folds, UTG+2 calls 11,123

Flop: (40,621) 5 8 K (2 players)
Hero bets 24,000, UTG+2 calls 24,000

Turn: (88,621) A (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 38,000, Hero calls 38,000

River: (164,621) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 99,323 and is all-in, Hero ?????????????

Flop I put him on AK/AQ/JJ/TT/99 just wanted to turn my his range "face up" and get it over with OTF.

Turn my mind went blank in hopes God is real and angels are sent to help my lost soul.

River I wanted to go make tea and let my timer run out.
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03-19-2018 , 11:05 AM
Yeah I think this is just a gross spot. I don't think you could have done anything differently. Maybe you could bet a little smaller on the flop as 50%+ of pot isn't really necessary to still rep a strong range in a 3-bet bot, and maybe betting ~18k looks even more like you have AK, but either way I think the moeny is going in here. Could maaaybe fold the river but probably not against his stats.
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03-19-2018 , 11:24 AM
well it's 130 hands, i dont see how relevant are turn and river agg% on that sample.

i mind your flop sizing, not sure what we wanna accomplish with 55% that wont be accomplished with smaller one. 99-QQ / KQ / AK / AQ aint folding anyway so i would sometimes even checkback but smaller sizing is better than -get it over with otf-

i'm not checking ace turn, dont see point in that. put pressure on KJ KQ and make flushdraws pay ( he has some AT AJhh hh there ) and reevalute river. if i check the turn which is very good for our range then just close your eyes and call turn call this kind of bricky river. 3 clubs are kind of irrelevant since he shouldnt be flatting with QJcc otf vs that sizing.
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03-19-2018 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nomalice

i'm not checking ace turn, dont see point in that. put pressure on KJ KQ and make flushdraws pay ( he has some AT AJhh hh there )
I don't mind the check on the turn, most of the time you're only being called by better (save some really over-played KQs/KJs/AJs/QQs) and with the action I doubt Hero has any fold equity. With V's stack still being way bigger than pot it can often go x/c, x/c and you can save yourself a short stack to play with. Also liklihood of V having a flushdraw is low.

In fact I think had Hero bet smaller on the flop I think you may have still had a stack to play with (provided you lost).
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03-19-2018 , 02:01 PM
will respond later

Last edited by nomalice; 03-19-2018 at 02:19 PM. Reason: fml
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03-19-2018 , 02:47 PM
Agree about the bet sizing - I think I could find a fold on the river - we are pretty much at the bottom of our range here. even aggressive players are not often turning JJ QQ et into a bluff at this stage.

I know we're not supposed to flat from SB but this is the kind of spot where I want to - not an SPR where we are comfortable either calling down or folding a TP hand.
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03-19-2018 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
Agree about the bet sizing - I think I could find a fold on the river - we are pretty much at the bottom of our range here. even aggressive players are not often turning JJ QQ et into a bluff at this stage.

I know we're not supposed to flat from SB but this is the kind of spot where I want to - not an SPR where we are comfortable either calling down or folding a TP hand.
How is AQo bottom of our range? are we range checking the turn and not betting sets and AK?

I dont mind 3betting nor flatting
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03-19-2018 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
Agree about the bet sizing - I think I could find a fold on the river - we are pretty much at the bottom of our range here. even aggressive players are not often turning JJ QQ et into a bluff at this stage.

I know we're not supposed to flat from SB but this is the kind of spot where I want to - not an SPR where we are comfortable either calling down or folding a TP hand.
Another reason I like the check on the turn. You get info or give V the opportunity to bluff. Betting it youre either just folding out worse hands or letting V call with a hand that is dominating. A 3-bet or a flat pre is fine.
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03-19-2018 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
How is AQo bottom of our range? are we range checking the turn and not betting sets and AK?

I dont mind 3betting nor flatting
I was thinking we're not check-calling the turn with worse ( unless we have a 3b bluff range here - which most players don't. but thinking about it more we're not really doing it with better so I think our hand is pretty much face up. I don't think average V is bluffing enough here.
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03-19-2018 , 07:54 PM
I get the discussion on sizing flop. We are OOP though so I don't mind a slightly larger size than what I would usually use (which would be really really small here).

As played river is really just going to depend on how we play our range. I think I'm ultimately always going to find a call with AQ here - especially given how we played the turn and the fact that villain can show up with missed draws - none of which we are blocking.

Rivercall becomes even more mandatory if we 3bet weak suited aces and combos of KQ or KJ/KT (starting to push the bluff range a little I know) pre, and if we ever call turn with worse than top pair (which I'd say we probably do).
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03-19-2018 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Turningham
I'm ultimately always going to find a call with AQ here - especially given how we played the turn and the fact that villain can show up with missed draws - none of which we are blocking.

Rivercall becomes even more mandatory if we 3bet weak suited aces and combos of KQ or KJ/KT (starting to push the bluff range a little I know) pre, and if we ever call turn with worse than top pair (which I'd say we probably do).
Yes.
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03-19-2018 , 09:44 PM
I'd raise bigger pre OOP As in 21k.

FLOP Check is fine it's not really that great of a board for our hand. I don't hate the cbet but I'd expect something like 33% to be better. We are not really folding 99+ here so if I do cbet i'd be targeting his very weak holdings that really can't continue on this texture. We also make it cheaper for ourselves if we do want to double barrel and put him in a tough spot with a hand such as jj. I'd always cbet this turn if I bet flop. If your looking to have some Ax in your range I'd use some of my weaker Ax hands as a bluff catcher.

I'd expect some villans to even have worse Ax hands here, so even though I expect to loose a good chunk of the time I think we're good often enough.
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