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06-07-2021 , 12:26 PM

dsut21

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700/1.4 (6 max NLH MTT) 28/82 players left, 15 get paid.

BTN 33.21 BB
SB 24.02 BB
BB 55.23 BB
UTG 31.82 BB
MP 24 BB
CO (hero)

6 players post ante 0.1 BB, SB posts .5 BB, BB posts 1 BB

PreFlop: Hero has Kc Js
UTG calls 1 BB
MP folds
CO (hero) calls 1BB
BTN folds
SB folds
BB checks

Flop: (4.1 BB, 3 players) Qc 8d Ah
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (4.1 BB, 3 players) 10d
BB bets 1 BB
UTG raises to 3 BB
Hero reraises to 12 BB
BB folds
UTG calls

River: (28.90 BB, 2 players) Ac
UTG jams 18.81 BB
Hero calls

UTG shows Qd As

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06-17-2021 , 10:02 AM

nonsimplesimon

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What's your stack size?

Isolate pre. Either raise 4x or shove if youre <25bb

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06-17-2021 , 04:21 PM

killer_kill

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Don't 3b the turn imo.

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06-17-2021 , 05:00 PM

oldgoat

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

Don't 3b the turn imo.

why not?

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06-17-2021 , 05:03 PM

oldgoat

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I would raise pre - as played I don't think we can fold the river even though we are going to go bust most of the time

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06-17-2021 , 07:30 PM

killer_kill

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Originally Posted by oldgoat

why not?

It's hard to balance kinda, we don't have many other hands to raise with and it's multiway so we look ultra bladed here. I doubt OP overlimps ATo and there's minimal combos of ATs, we raise AQo (I dunno hero's stack so I'm mostly generally speaking), AA, QQ pre. It's not that it's "bad" to raise the turn, just think calling UTG's raise is better. We stack BB's J9o regardless but can keep in villain's (reraiser) Ax type hands. If this river bricks off instead we easily stack top two.

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06-18-2021 , 11:34 AM

oldgoat

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Yes I think our raises will be unbalanced - although it would be possible to have some bluffs here. But if we call we are leaving spr about 2 and even on a blank river (there are a lot of non blanks) we are going to have difficulty getting it in against too much of his range. Also not great to give BB's dd holdings odds to draw out on us. So I'd rather raise.

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06-18-2021 , 05:54 PM

killer_kill

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What bluffs are you finding on this turn and what other 3bet hands do you have to make you not polarized tho? The part that makes it tough to rep bladed hands is the limp in the CO. I prob don't have a 3b range on the turn but not sure if that's correct or not. I'm not really worried about being drawn out on by backdoor diamonds tbh.

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06-19-2021 , 08:15 AM

oldgoat

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^ I think we could bluff raise some dd combos - although in practice i think being unbalanced towards value is OK also - I don't really understand why we wouldn't want a raising range on a wet board with this spr & if we have one the nuts should be in it

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06-19-2021 , 12:15 PM

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Darth_Maul

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Don't limp pre.

I'm fine with the 3b on the turn, balance is overrated in a spot like this. Villain ain't folding any decent value hands there.

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06-19-2021 , 06:20 PM

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killer_kill

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Ok lets change the question then. What other value hands do we have to 3b this turn then? I also don't consider a rainbow flop gaining a flush draw to be that wet tbh.

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06-20-2021 , 05:09 AM

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oldgoat

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J9 for sure
IP I would often r/f some hands like QT - if V is passive as he likely is limping UTG

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06-20-2021 , 05:52 PM

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killer_kill

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J9s is the only hands we should be limping, so we have 4 combos of that. I'm not really sold tbh. You're r/f 2pr as played with QT? Again it has to be suited cause QTo is a fold. I'm prob not folding any value if I 3bet this turn, esp if it's multiway. Since people are so keen on ignoring balance then why take a showdown hand and 3b/f it? Why not just peel the turn since it's 3ways with QTs? There also is only 2 QTs combos left as well (removal).

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06-20-2021 , 06:44 PM

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oldgoat

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

why take a showdown hand and 3b/f it? Why not just peel the turn since it's 3ways with QTs?

the point of raising is to get to showdown fairly cheaply - we are not planning to bet most rivers but to take what value we can from Ax which I agree aren't folding. while denying equity to hands that can't call a raise
I think calling QT is also fine and I wouldn't raise if I thought either V was likely to bluff this spot

But the point is that V's can't assume that we are nutted when we raise here. ( and they can't assume we are folding unsuited J9 QT pre - I don't think it;s bad to expand an overlimping range on a passive table ) I think flatting the nuts loses so much value here and generally.

Last edited by oldgoat; 06-20-2021 at 07:04 PM.

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06-21-2021 , 08:57 AM

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ledn

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Seems fine maybe you can find a fold on the river vs a passive opponent. But an aggro fish is going to think trips is the nuts here.

I am reraising the turn every time, even if its unbalanced. There are a ton of worse hands that can call. I am not worried about being too balanced vs an utg limper.

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06-21-2021 , 06:25 PM

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killer_kill

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J9o and QTo are really bad limps to make. They play very poorly multiway and don't realize equity very well.

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