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05-03-2021 , 08:13 AM

miguelin43

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 820

Hi guys

I know this post sounds idiotic but i really struggle in these spots with around 30 BB effective stack size i am going to show you : i think they are more or less similar as the SPR once we are raised is soooo small

So we just shove and be done with it?

PD: We suppose that villains are regs

HAND 1:

PokerStars - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: 397,161 (49.6 bb)
BTN: 231,851 (29 bb)
SB: 370,549 (46.3 bb)
BB: 343,464 (42.9 bb)
Hero (UTG): 502,014 (62.8 bb)
MP: 551,873 (69 bb)

6 players post ante of 1,000, SB posts 4,000, BB posts 8,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 18,000) Hero has 9

Hero raises to 18,400, 2 folds, BTN calls 18,400, 2 folds

Flop: (54,800, 2 players) 6

Hero bets 21,920, BTN raises to 43,840, Hero ???

HAND 2:

[converted_hand][hand_history]PokerStars - 125/250 Ante 30 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: 4,972 (19.9 bb)
SB: 8,206 (32.8 bb)
BB: 4,916 (19.7 bb)
UTG: 20,079 (80.3 bb)
UTG+1: 13,883 (55.5 bb)
MP: 9,286 (37.1 bb)
Hero (MP+1): 8,318 (33.3 bb)
CO: 13,181 (52.7 bb)

8 players post ante of 30, SB posts 125, BB posts 250

Pre Flop: (pot: 615) Hero has A

3 folds, Hero raises to 550, 2 folds, SB calls 425, fold

Flop: (1,590, 2 players) 9

SB checks, Hero bets 525, SB raises to 1,845, Hero ???

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05-03-2021 , 09:50 AM

ledn

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,107

First hand I am shoving because we are OOP and have a strong but vulnerable hand.

Second hand is a good spot to just flat. We have the Ac so that blocks our opponent from having a nut fd. IP with very few scare cards for us or action killers. Just call down.

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05-03-2021 , 10:36 AM

Darth_Maul

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,435

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Originally Posted by ledn

Same I think. The minraise in the first hand is really weird though.

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05-03-2021 , 01:17 PM

miguelin43

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 820

So there is no "stone set rule" for playing these spots right?

We just analyze them one by one and we dont feel "committed" even if now, after a raise, there are a lot of chips in the pot

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05-03-2021 , 01:50 PM

Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by miguelin43

So there is no "stone set rule" for playing these spots right?

We just analyze them one by one and we dont feel "committed" even if now, after a raise, there are a lot of chips in the pot

Being pot committed is a very outdated concept. The chips you've put into the pot are only relevant when it comes to calculating the pot odds and the equity of making a call.

The SPR isn't quite low enough in either spot to just go with it blindly.

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05-04-2021 , 06:59 PM

killer_kill

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 28,610

Jam the first one, check the flop on the 2nd one. As played flop seems like a trivial peel since SB shouldn't have many 9x hands.

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05-08-2021 , 06:47 PM

miguelin43

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

Jam the first one, check the flop on the 2nd one. As played flop seems like a trivial peel since SB shouldn't have many 9x hands.

Oh ! Really curious about this.

Why?? I mean.....I think his range is gonna call that small cbet and give up OTT if he didnt complete his str8 draw: worse K, QJ, QTs, JTs, some AJc...also i block his nut flush draw...uummm so we check because we are afraid of a C/R?

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05-08-2021 , 08:53 PM

killer_kill

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You can mix betting and checking AKo there but this combo feels like a great checking one. A SB flatting range will typically be hands that are strong but don't wanna 3b/call or 3b/fold so maybe stuff like 88. I don't really flat the SB so I have no idea what they're exactly doing it with tbh. But you've got a massive stranglehold on the flop and you have some 9x but you're mostly just mid pairs, high cards and some nut hand combos of course. With Ac you're just so far ahead of everything and removing the nut flush combos gives them even less defending hands. Betting is fine too obv, as in it's not a mistake of course.

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