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call turn shove with 2nd pair? call turn shove with 2nd pair?

09-26-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Is this an easy call here?Doubtful V has AA,KK,QQ, he has plenty flush and straight draws,I totally unblock those and block TJ,AJ



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (70/140 blinds, 21 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37836653

Hero (SB): 6,384 (45.6 bb)
BB: 16,612 (118.7 bb)
UTG+2: 6,309 (45.1 bb)
MP1: 13,385 (95.6 bb)
MP2: 4,592 (32.8 bb)
MP3: 18,424 (131.6 bb)
CO: 4,313 (30.8 bb)
BTN: 10,844 (77.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
5 folds, BTN raises to 317, Hero raises to 980, BB folds, BTN calls 663

Flop: (2,268) T J 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 1,383, Hero calls 1,383

Turn: (5,034) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 8,460 and is all-in, Hero calls 4,000 and is all-in
call turn shove with 2nd pair? Quote
09-26-2017 , 03:31 PM
Don't know why you 3b pre. AT is way ahead of his range, most of which he'll just fold to the 3b. And with 45bb to start you don't want to bloat a pot that can be awkward to play oop postflop. I'm happy just calling there and keeping my hand disguised.

I'm not sure you can expect him to shove the turn with a draw when he could check behind and see the river for free. Especially after you 3b pre and x/c the flop, indicating you likely have some showdown value. I think this is going to be a made hand almost all the time. There are certainly plenty of Jx in his range, from J9 to AJ. Sure you block some of those but you also block hands you beat, like QT/KT. Could he be trying to push you off with a hand like 88/99? Possibly.

Really marginal spot to call for your tourney life.

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09-26-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
Don't know why you 3b pre. AT is way ahead of his range, most of which he'll just fold to the 3b.
If he folds ,great.If I just call and BB squeezes not so great.
What would be your 3bet range in this scenario?


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I'm not sure you can expect him to shove the turn with a draw when he could check behind and see the river for free.
Yes he has the option to check and he also has the option to shove with draws to fold better hands than his
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09-26-2017 , 04:33 PM
nh would play it exactly the same.

3b pre is better than flatting
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09-27-2017 , 10:08 AM
3bet pre is ok. Turn c/f.
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09-27-2017 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BicycleRepairMan
If he folds ,great.If I just call and BB squeezes not so great.
What would be your 3bet range in this scenario?
I must have skimmed the hand too quickly, I thought to you were in the BB.

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Yes he has the option to check and he also has the option to shove with draws to fold better hands than his
Of course, I was only pointing out that it's an assumption. It is still a very marginal spot to call off.


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09-27-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul



Of course, I was only pointing out that it's an assumption. It is still a very marginal spot to call off.


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which better hand can you have after x/c otf?
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09-27-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by daviid
which better hand can you have after x/c otf?
I guess I'm concerned about the Jx he has in his range, which he could definitely play this way. With Hero's stack size the turn shove isn't nearly as scary because it's less than a PSB, so that's part of why it seems more value-ish to me.

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09-27-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
I guess I'm concerned about the Jx he has in his range, which he could definitely play this way. With Hero's stack size the turn shove isn't nearly as scary because it's less than a PSB, so that's part of why it seems more value-ish to me.

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i guess the point im trying to make is that he should have zero incentive to check back his draws ott when people want to x/f turn with the top of their range, even having the best bluffcatcher ever, blocking some value combos and unblocking all bluffs. if we fold this combo we will x/f 100% on this turn after taking the line we took which def isnt optimal.
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