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12-05-2020 , 08:27 AM
CO kind of aggro donk, no info on UTG.
I think the call preflop and on the flop are correct. I don't know if calling my remaining 30bb on the turn was the right choice. I need a 22% equity to make a profitable call. Do you think I made a good call?

partypoker, €0.50 + €0 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,000/2,000 (250 ante) - 6 players
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UTG: 355,780 (178 bb)
MP: 193,980 (97 bb)
CO: 300,300 (150 bb)
BU: 165,920 (83 bb)
SB (Hero): 81,510 (41 bb)
BB: 199,200 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: (4,500) Hero is SB with Q J
UTG calls 2,000, 1 fold, CO raises to 4,000, 1 fold, Hero calls 3,000, BB calls 2,000, UTG calls 2,000

Flop: (17,500) T 5 8 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets 8,750, UTG calls 8,750, CO raises to 17,500, Hero calls 17,500, BB calls 8,750, UTG calls 8,750

Turn: (87,500) J (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 96,000, CO calls 96,000, Hero calls 59,760 (all-in), BB folds

River: (339,260) K (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets 2,000, CO calls 2,000

Total pot: 343,260

Showdown:
UTG shows 5 J (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 17%, Flop: 32%, Turn: 52%, River: 100%)

SB (Hero) shows Q J (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 55%, Flop: 59%, Turn: 48%, River: 0%)

CO shows 7 5 (a pair of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 27%, Flop: 10%, Turn: <1%, River: 0%)
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12-05-2020 , 12:35 PM
fold or 3bet pre

calling from the SB is bad mostly
your range is capped and obvious
you have horrible position both pre and post
UTG and CO could easily have you dominated

just don't call from the SB unless you know what you're doing

this hand seems perfectly fine to 3bet and I'd rather fold than call with it here


flop is a fold for me as well, you have a sizable bet and a raise in front of you and more action to happen behind you
you don't have anything yet


turn is again, a fold for me
UTG is betting into 3 players who called sizable bets on the flop
UTG is shouting he has something good and TPMK is not beating that.


STOP POSTING RESULTS FFS
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12-05-2020 , 01:20 PM
I'm not sure but I think this is fine
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12-05-2020 , 08:32 PM
Folding this flop given this action should get you a 10 pt expiring infraction.
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12-05-2020 , 08:33 PM
Flop is closer to a jam than a fold also.
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12-06-2020 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
Flop is closer to a jam than a fold also.
are you saying Jam>call? I thought about this too, but I don't think we have a ton of FE vs CO and calling lets the others come along, and if they jam we can still profitably call
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12-06-2020 , 03:58 PM
Super easy hand. Fold flop

You don't even draw to the nuts and after donk bet+ caller + RAISER, your hand doesn't have any value.
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12-06-2020 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain-Hindsight
are you saying Jam>call? I thought about this too, but I don't think we have a ton of FE vs CO and calling lets the others come along, and if they jam we can still profitably call
I think jamming is better than folding and jamming and calling are pretty close to each other.

My only concern with calling is we face turns like this and have to make a difficult decision. Plus we're not likely against an overpair and we have max equity here on the flop as well where we benefit most from getting to see all 5 cards but have a very marginal showdown hand.
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12-07-2020 , 10:45 AM
Thanks for your answers!
Preflop I don't 3bet because villains at these stakes don't like to fold to 3bet and Q-Js play really well multiway and have huge implied odds. Furthermore, if someone 4bet I have to fold a hand that can hit strong on the flop.
I can never fold preflop and flop in my opinion.
Actually jamming on the flop was an option I thought about. Maybe the call is better because I dont'have a made hand and I'm sure I don't have fold equity at least against CO. And it's not too bad to continue multiway because if I hit flush or straight I can win a huge pot against these villains. That said, it's true that with the J on the turn we have to make a difficult decision.
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12-07-2020 , 08:01 PM
I think 3! pre to 16-20K, maybe more like 20 OR fold. As played on flop, gii and hope the nut flush draw doesn't call. You have gutshot and flush outs, obv with us knowing the opponent's cards now, a 3! was worth a ton of value as it is wrong for either player to call. If they somehow showed you their cards on flop would you have then folded?
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12-07-2020 , 08:40 PM
If people don't fold then you should fold QJs in the SB cause some of your value is getting to 3b and leverage your equity. It's not like you're calling to hit a pair or 2pr to showdown.
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