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This is a call right? This is a call right?

08-16-2018 , 10:35 PM
I think it is, hope it is. But where's the line that divides it from being and not being? If I had more chips maybe? as a medium stack? as a bigstack I think it is also a call. Am i right?

This is FT's bubble of a $1 180 players sit and go

    Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37935974

    MP2: 13,544 (33.9 bb)
    MP3: 42,368 (105.9 bb)
    CO: 5,831 (14.6 bb)
    BTN: 11,590 (29 bb)
    SB: 20,896 (52.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): 7,937 (19.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 10,267 (25.7 bb)
    MP1: 7,930 (19.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 A
    2 folds, MP2 raises to 800, 2 folds, BTN calls 800, SB folds, Hero calls 400

    Flop: (3,000) 3 8 T (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets 1,500, BTN raises to 10,740 and is all-in, Hero calls 7,087 and is all-in, MP2 calls 9,240

    Turn: (31,567) 8 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (31,567) 7 (3 players, 2 are all-in)




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    08-17-2018 , 03:12 AM
    seems like a call if u think that mp2 would call as well and you win 3-way AI 35% of the time..
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    08-17-2018 , 08:41 AM
    Mp 2 needs to call a pretty good % of the time to justify but on the bubble probs fold

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    08-17-2018 , 09:15 AM
    ^^ yeah, generally speaking i would fold on the bubble with this spot.
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    08-17-2018 , 11:05 AM
    I like a squeeze play preflop way more. You have a good stack size for jamming over the top preflop and most likely take down the pot there. As played it's probably a call.
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    08-17-2018 , 11:41 AM
    What do we think of BTN's range here? 29bb he calls the minraise pre and then shoves over the half pot CB 3-way. TT/88 certainly in there, some T8s, maybe some AT, plus some J9 for the OESD and even some diamond draws. If that's a reasonable range then your Ace outs are often dead and you're drawing to just the 9 flush outs.
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    08-17-2018 , 12:22 PM
    So it was not a call? My tought process there: They were playing lots of hands. I call because is cheap and I have the nut flush. MP2 wouldn't fold after cbting 1/2 that kind of flop against two LP callers. If I take the pot I would be top 3 or 5.

    I am having a hard time with this spots and in general, drawing the line between risk and being too tight.

    By maths I think it's OK because of the 35% odds and x3 my stack pot. But there MUST BE an different aproach to this. I read all the time and the advice seems to be like "if odds are OK put them on" but this is not cash.

    Maybe it was better to push to BB in SB with any two with probably more odds and also FE. How we should decide about this?
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    08-17-2018 , 12:22 PM
    MP2 Had ATo and BTN a lowers flush draw
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    08-17-2018 , 01:32 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tucanroman
    By maths I think it's OK because of the 35% odds and x3 my stack pot. But there MUST BE an different aproach to this. I read all the time and the advice seems to be like "if odds are OK put them on" but this is not cash.
    pots odds is the fundamental math concept, it does not depend on whether you play in tournaments or cash games or even coin flip.
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    08-17-2018 , 03:04 PM
    That means where ever my odds are right at any torney moment I should try to put all the chips I can in? (with out ICM)
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    08-18-2018 , 12:48 PM
    ^^ from the pure math standpoint of view - yes. If you are sure that pot odds are favorable then indeed you should bet/call.

    The problem though is in that you rarely 100% confident that pot odds are favorable. In the hand you posted you should know that MP2 calls AI in order your call to be +EV. Also you are on the bubble and there is bubble factor to consider...
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    08-19-2018 , 10:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tucanroman
    That means where ever my odds are right at any torney moment I should try to put all the chips I can in? (with out ICM)
    Not exactly. You can't reload in a tourney so you can't make your decisions based purely on chip ev. "Tourney life" gets factored in by a somewhat arbitrary upward adjustment of the equity required in certain key spots. For example, there might be a spot where you face an all-in call and you know it will be very close from an ev perspective, so the value of your tourney life might weight the decision towards a fold.

    In other words, you want a bit more equity than you actually need in tourneys.
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