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Bluff catch on the turn for all the chips with 99 on j high board? Bluff catch on the turn for all the chips with 99 on j high board?

12-09-2017 , 08:55 AM
Live hand bi 55 pounds UK, blinds 300-600 ante 50, not near the money.

I am utg with 28k
I open up two black 9s to 1500, folds to button who 3 bets to 5100 it folds back to me. V covers is a young loose cash game reg, doesn't seem to grasp some basic tournament concepts based on his play, (seen him get it in 150 blinds deep with jacks, donk it off on the bubble and call 4 bets with junk multiway when players are 30 bb effective etc) he 3 bets wide, raises a lot. On the looser side, he was playing 40% + hands. I call and we're off to a flop of Jh, 3h, 4x. I check, He bets 7100 and I call. Turn comes an offsuit 7 and he jams. I've seen him jam big draws on the flop and turn before. I know his range is wide. He has over pairs and AJs here too, maybe KJs and QJs but I'm not sure he plays them so aggressively. Is 9c9s a god call candidate?
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12-13-2017 , 04:13 AM
I wouldn't call turn shove for tourny life here, if we think about all the possible hands we can have in this spot we actually have heaps of Jx, overpairs and some sets vs this opponent that are snapping so we are actually a bit further down in our range w 99 and is a pretty marginal spot for all our chips.

Also the board is fairly dry at this point, this would indicate he is less weighted to semi/bluffs and more weighted towards made value hands.

Also you have to remember that chips lost in a tournament are more valuable then chips gained, so if we are making a desicion for all our chips and not first in then we really need to be at the top of range generally speaking
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12-13-2017 , 09:26 AM
This is ugly, you've already put in almost half your stack in a marginal spot against a player who could have a wide range. You have to plan how you're going to play this kind of spit before you decide to call his 3b pre oop with 99. You know you'll end up seeing overcards on the board and will likely face action from an aggressive player.

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12-21-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
This is ugly, you've already put in almost half your stack in a marginal spot against a player who could have a wide range. You have to plan how you're going to play this kind of spit before you decide to call his 3b pre oop with 99. You know you'll end up seeing overcards on the board and will likely face action from an aggressive player.

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Ok so we call and he has KK. Are we saying fold pre here? As played I think we have to call one and call some turns. Or fold flop. I don't hate my play but live he is geared towards value a lot more so I should prob err on the side of caution and look for a better spot.

@ wowsooooted:
"Also you have to remember that chips lost in a tournament are more valuable then chips gained, so if we are making a desicion for all our chips and not first in then we really need to be at the top of range generally speaking "

I agree with this, would you fold flop then as played? I felt like once I call flop I have to call some turns. I don't like heroing in live tourneys but sometimes u got to shut ur eyes and press call lol.
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12-21-2017 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dayu12345
Ok so we call and he has KK. Are we saying fold pre here? As played I think we have to call one and call some turns. Or fold flop. I don't hate my play but live he is geared towards value a lot more so I should prob err on the side of caution and look for a better spot.
My point is that you have to decide what your plan is before you call the 3b. Are you playing for set value? Are you going to call 3 streets if he fires 3 bullets? How will you respond to a bet on a flop with one overcard? Two?

This is not a great flop for your hand. There is an overcard to your 99 and you have no draws on a flush draw board. Even if you might be good now, the board is likely going to get worse for you with each street. If you think he's going to keep firing with a wide range, then I guess you should prepare to call down. Personally I'm not a fan of putting my tourney on the line in a spot like this.

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12-23-2017 , 04:02 AM
Given your read, we can assume he has a number of 3b-bluffs pre. Many of his 3b-bluff (semibluffs) actually connect with either a middle pair or straight/flush draws (A2s-A5s, 54s, 76s, maybe 88, FD's, etc.). I also think that most players will flat with their better Jxs hands pre, so his Jx combos will be mixed with 3b's and calls. Therefore, he likely has less Jx in his range.

You've committed a decent amount to the pot already and he should know he's giving you decent odds, which makes me think he's got something, but then again most of your stronger hands (Jx+ and most draws) would check-jam the flop, so he might think you're capped at a hand like 55-TT and try to put pressure on you. I also don't see him folding the semibluff hands like the ones I mentioned if he thinks there is any chance you will fold. He will keep barreling most of his range regardless because he has decent equity and you are capped.

So, given the price we're getting on the turn, I'm calling this player all day.
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