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03-15-2018 , 12:27 PM

L_Neves

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Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 70

1$ NLHE - 6max
No information on villain. First hand of the tournament... I'm in doubt about the sizes and the move on the river...

PokerStars - 15/30 Ante 4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 100 BB

6 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has T

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (15.3 BB, 3 players) A

Hero bets 10.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 10.5 BB

Turn: (36.3 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero bets 22 BB, BTN calls 22 BB

River: (80.3 BB, 2 players) A

Hero bets 62.87 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 62.87 BB and is all-in

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03-15-2018 , 01:58 PM

Darth_Maul

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,434

Bet sizes are too big. Standard sizing these days is closer to 1/2 pot - you accomplish the same goal with less risk.

There is zero point in betting the river. If he was drawing, he'll fold. He wouldn't limp a big pair on the BTN so you're not getting called by hands like JJ-KK. You might get called by a few Ax you beat (A2-A5) but that's it. You'll get called by all the hands that beat you: 99/88/66/A9/A8/A6.

Bet smaller on flop and turn, then check river and call a reasonable bet. Let him bluff at the pot with his missed draws.

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03-15-2018 , 03:06 PM

Strappz

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 656

Bet sizing is too large like Darth pointed out. If you had AK/AQ you would beat more Ax hands but having the ten with the 9/8/6 on the board really handcuffs you here. You beat A7/A2-A5. Every other ace is ahead or boated up. Check the river.

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03-16-2018 , 05:14 AM

Bubuman

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 30

I wonder if this is also a c/f river spot. What do you guys think?

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03-16-2018 , 07:41 AM

Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by Bubuman

I wonder if this is also a c/f river spot. What do you guys think?

I would have a hard time folding with all the combos of draws he could have in his range. He limped behind on the BTN on the first hand of the tourney, so he could have all sorts of diamond combos to go along with straight draws...not to mention heart draws he could have picked up on the turn. I think those combos give you more than enough equity to call any river bet when balanced against the hands that beat you.

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03-16-2018 , 05:46 PM

killer_kill

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Fold preflop *ducks*

Smaller flop, check turn. We block with Ah and he can't have Axdd so I guess it's fine in a 1 dollar. Prob check the river though and let him try and bluff. He has a lot more bluffs than value hands we want to milk.

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03-17-2018 , 06:27 AM

wowsooooted

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complete pre,

as played b/b and check river, all draws brick basically so lets let him bluff now

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03-17-2018 , 10:14 AM

Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by wowsooooted

complete pre,

ATo is not a hand I want to be playing multiway OOP.

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03-20-2018 , 06:35 AM

Turningham

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 828

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

You ******* nit!!
*launches tomato*

Nah but seriously it's right on the cusp pre I reckon between raise and complete.

Otherwise yeah I'm with killer's post

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03-21-2018 , 02:02 AM

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wowsooooted

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im completing KQ,AJ also.. please dont raise anything here except the very top, lets not build the pot oop

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03-21-2018 , 06:31 PM

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killer_kill

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Originally Posted by wowsooooted

im completing KQ,AJ also.. please dont raise anything here except the very top, lets not build the pot oop

I'd be willing to raise big with hands that flop better than ATo. If we make a huge raise with AT and we flop either a T or an A for TP then we don't really like donk betting but with hands like KQs for a lower end of range hand we flop better and can barrel with more equity. ATo doesn't have enough backdoor equity to push out their more likely floats given positions.

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03-22-2018 , 12:35 PM

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desperad0oo7

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Love your Bet sizes coz someone who open limps co at $1 wont fold alot. But otr BTN cant have much to call with that you beat. So much prefer check calling or making a tiny bet to try and induce a bluff

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03-22-2018 , 12:42 PM

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desperad0oo7

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But with regards to calling pre, dont hate it. There is little point in stacking off on your first hand with ATo as your effective stack size wont change. There most definately will be much better spots and doubling up on yiur first hand is not as benificial as doubling up later on with antes. Im much more inclined to pull of this line (minus the river) when i late reg late

Last edited by desperad0oo7; 03-22-2018 at 12:52 PM.

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