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02-10-2017 , 05:09 AM
hi guys this is big 7.50 stars, i call oop after a limp and a raise with AJs( i know the raise is often not a premium hand because the limper is fishy and i see this move make before by the aggresor). OTF i catch TPTK on a dry flop and i know the initial raiser likes to c-bets flops and i elect to check with the intention to c/r. MP1 makes the c-bet i shove and i get beaten by the MP ho make set. It's my line c/r ok in this multiway situation? Should i take the lead OTF. Should i fold pre.? Should i only call the c-bet OTF?
    Poker Stars, $6.82 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (SB): 7,740 (31 bb)
    BB: 12,485 (49.9 bb)
    UTG+1: 4,936 (19.7 bb)
    UTG+2: 5,555 (22.2 bb)
    MP1: 10,240 (41 bb)
    MP2: 10,964 (43.9 bb)
    MP3: 7,940 (31.8 bb)
    CO: 16,511 (66 bb)
    BTN: 9,501 (38 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
    2 folds, MP1 calls 250, MP2 raises to 750, 3 folds, Hero calls 625, BB folds, MP1 calls 500

    Flop: (2,770) 3 J 4 (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets 1,500, Hero raises to 6,960 and is all-in, MP1 calls 6,960, MP2 folds

    Turn: (18,190) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (18,190) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 18,190 pot
    Final Board: 3 J 4 2 2
    Hero showed A J and lost (-7,740 net)
    MP1 showed 4 4 and won 18,190 (10,450 net)
    MP2 mucked and lost (-2,280 net)
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    02-10-2017 , 09:14 AM
    I like your line, sometimes they just have a set and you get beaten.
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    02-10-2017 , 10:06 AM
    Not sure I see the point in the shove though. He's going to fold almost everything you beat and call with everything that crushes you.

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    02-10-2017 , 10:50 AM
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    Originally Posted by Darth_Maul
    Not sure I see the point in the shove though. He's going to fold almost everything you beat and call with everything that crushes you.

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    i initially thought the same thing. also we are never ever "bluffing" when we x/shove this board and our hand needs little protection. that being said, after villain bets theres 4.2k out there and we have 7k behind. since we are never folding this i am actually ok with the shove and id let him figure out if he wants to stack off with JT or smaller pp type hands.
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    02-10-2017 , 11:01 AM
    You'd have to be somewhat confident that he'd stack off with those hands. Regardless though, they will make up a small part of his range. The board is so dry that his range is going to be polarized here. And the check-shove from hero looks really strong. So while you might get a call from KJ/QJ, he's probably folding everything else hero beats and calling with sets and QQ-AA.

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    02-10-2017 , 11:34 AM
    How about 3b prf? You have blocker into his Ax premiums, you have a hand that can flop well if he calls and you have a read that he is isolating weak player. I would love a re-steal here and 3b/fold. You are doing it from SB, where you should have the strongest range so it seems like +EV play
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    02-10-2017 , 01:01 PM
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    Originally Posted by abecede
    How about 3b prf? You have blocker into his Ax premiums, you have a hand that can flop well if he calls and you have a read that he is isolating weak player. I would love a re-steal here and 3b/fold. You are doing it from SB, where you should have the strongest range so it seems like +EV play
    You can't 3b/fold with 31bb, you'd be spewing 1/3 of your stack.

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    02-11-2017 , 02:26 AM
    I agree with the 3 bet because the raiser range is preety wide.

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    02-11-2017 , 07:54 AM
    Calling represents you are never folding the hand. And if anything you lose value i believe not shoving flop. Our hand also merits some protection as whats already in the pot is valuable. this is the only line to take i feel unless you have a read or note on villain.
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