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09-29-2018 , 06:31 AM
PokerStars - 1500/3000 Ante 375 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 48,866 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): 276,254
UTG: 271,907 (VPIP: 43.08, PFR: 17.19, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 65)
UTG+1: 79,866 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 77,694 (VPIP: 16.05, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 81)
MP+1: 152,836 (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 19)
CO: 100,218 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 81)
BTN: 94,242 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

8 players post ante of 375, SB posts SB 1,500, Hero posts BB 3,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 7,500) Hero has 8 Q

fold, UTG+1 raises to 6,750, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 3,750

Flop: (18,000, 2 players) Q 6 9
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 8,640, Hero calls 8,640

Turn: (35,280, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

River: (35,280, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Hero shows 8 Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 28%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
UTG+1 mucks T T (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 72%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 35,280

I think i might've lost a bit of value on the river. What do you guys think?
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09-29-2018 , 09:35 AM
Fine to bluff catch too here, im happy to close out the action and call, I would proly do this with my entire range defending from bb anyways and he can barrel that river really easy as its much better for his range then ours, we should be percieved as fairly wide, esp if we think he knows something about minimum def frequencies. We proly have a higher chance of getting more value by checking and inducing some bluffs, rather than leading out and let him play perfectly and having an easy fold everything thats behind and call and raise everything thats ahead. Some backdoor straights and flushes got there along with 99 and JJ. Also he could win with a better queen or much more unlikely QQ.
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09-29-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
Fine to bluff catch too here, im happy to close out the action and call, I would proly do this with my entire range defending from bb anyways and he can barrel that river really easy as its much better for his range then ours, we should be percieved as fairly wide, esp if we think he knows something about minimum def frequencies. We proly have a higher chance of getting more value by checking and inducing some bluffs, rather than leading out and let him play perfectly and having an easy fold everything thats behind and call and raise everything thats ahead. Some backdoor straights and flushes got there along with 99 and JJ. Also he could win with a better queen or much more unlikely QQ.
Love this
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09-30-2018 , 02:39 AM
Thanks for taking the time to reply, i really appreciate it!
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10-07-2018 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
Fine to bluff catch too here, im happy to close out the action and call, I would proly do this with my entire range defending from bb anyways and he can barrel that river really easy as its much better for his range then ours, we should be percieved as fairly wide, esp if we think he knows something about minimum def frequencies. We proly have a higher chance of getting more value by checking and inducing some bluffs, rather than leading out and let him play perfectly and having an easy fold everything thats behind and call and raise everything thats ahead. Some backdoor straights and flushes got there along with 99 and JJ. Also he could win with a better queen or much more unlikely QQ.
Agree with this. I like your river check a lot. I don’t think you are getting many calls from worse so checking induces opponent to bluff. It’s kinda odd he doesn’t bet river here also as he has blockers to straights and I guess could rep a straight possibly. As played, no value lost I feel.
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10-08-2018 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
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Agree with this. I like your river check a lot. I don’t think you are getting many calls from worse so checking induces opponent to bluff. It’s kinda odd he doesn’t bet river here also as he has blockers to straights and I guess could rep a straight possibly. As played, no value lost I feel.
Villains check back is the most standard play ever, why would he want to turn what decent show down value he has into a bluff and what can he realistically fold out? Maaaaybe he folds out aq/kq vs nits or gets thin value vs a9 vs stations but most likely a bet only gets better to always call and worst to always fold. We see how weak hero actually defended his blind here but he almost never has a queen this weak and probably not ever folding qx after vill checks turn.

Last edited by litlebullet; 10-08-2018 at 12:54 AM.
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10-08-2018 , 04:58 AM
Yeah bluffing here would be odd.

Also straight blockers are often overrated. You block straights but you block busted straight draws.
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