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09-20-2017 , 11:08 AM
probably i should have raised on the flop and pushed turn , but maybe this is too result oriented , what do you think?



    Poker Stars, $4.40 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37833204

    Hero (UTG+2): 7,661 (38.3 bb)
    MP1: 18,510 (92.6 bb)
    MP2: 10,764 (53.8 bb)
    MP3: 9,665 (48.3 bb)
    CO: 14,390 (72 bb)
    BTN: 17,575 (87.9 bb)
    SB: 10,984 (54.9 bb)
    BB: 11,272 (56.4 bb)
    UTG+1: 10,000 (50 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q J
    UTG+1 calls 200, Hero calls 200, MP1 raises to 600, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls 400, Hero calls 400

    Flop: (2,325) 8 Q 8 (3 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets 800, UTG+1 calls 800, Hero calls 800

    Turn: (4,725) T (3 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 2,363, MP1 calls 2,363, UTG+1 folds

    River: (9,451) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets 3,873 and is all-in, MP1 calls 3,873

    Spoiler:
    Results: 17,197 pot
    Final Board: 8 Q 8 T 9
    Hero showed Q J and lost (-7,661 net)
    MP1 showed K J and won 17,197 (9,536 net)



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    the big 5 Quote
    09-20-2017 , 12:17 PM
    For starters I would fold preflop. Too much risk of a raise behind and having to play out of position with a hand that plays terribly against a raise OOP.

    As played that would be a weird spot for a flop x/r. Would you be trying to represent 8x? What 8x hands are you limp/calling in early position? Would you be x/raising for value or as a bluff?

    Why are you suddenly donkbetting the turn? And why would you consider raising the flop and then shoving the turn?

    Seems to me like you got lost in this hand without a plan, took a strange line, and now you're throwing out another strange line because you lost the hand.

    Fold pre. As played, x/call flop and turn.

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    09-28-2017 , 06:22 AM
    yes i should have folded pre. once played i think the correct line would have been check raise flop , cause the only hand that he bet less the pot is QQ or a draw , with all the others he would have bet more to protect from a flushdraw, so raise and pushing turn i m basically protecting from a draw , and i can lose my chips only versus QQ , and versus a stronger Q , with whom i would lose everything also with a simple call call line , but this way sometimes a stronger Q could also fold . Now that i explained it , do you still think is a stange line?
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    09-28-2017 , 07:23 AM
    Yeah, it all went wrong at limp call pre, it's just horrible. It's the worst possible option. Coming in with an opening raise pre would have been miles better than what you did.

    Simple decisions early in the hand will help you avoid most of the stupid stuff

    There's literally no point commenting on your post flop line because you should never ever get here. You don't neeed to worry about what to do next time, because you won't be here next time.
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    09-28-2017 , 07:54 AM
    agree with all that said fold pre

    as played x/r flop is really bad, we only get called by better hands, worse folds and better calls always. check turn and river
    the big 5 Quote
    09-28-2017 , 08:48 AM
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    Originally Posted by ragazzinodelonline
    yes i should have folded pre. once played i think the correct line would have been check raise flop , cause the only hand that he bet less the pot is QQ or a draw , with all the others he would have bet more to protect from a flushdraw, so raise and pushing turn i m basically protecting from a draw , and i can lose my chips only versus QQ , and versus a stronger Q , with whom i would lose everything also with a simple call call line , but this way sometimes a stronger Q could also fold . Now that i explained it , do you still think is a stange line?
    Your thinking is a bit outdated, people don't adjust their bet sizing that much to protect their hand; you rarely see pot sized flop bets anymore.

    His bet is very small but you should only consider x/raising the flop if you have a weak hand and want to fold out better hands, or if you have a strong hand and can get called by weaker ones. In this case you have a decent hand and a x/r will neither fold out better hands nor get calls from weaker ones.

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    09-28-2017 , 03:27 PM
    Fold pre, c/f turn.
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