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05-23-2018 , 07:01 PM

Percyeus86

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 623

Thoughts?

Any merit in 3betting pre here? Happy to flat and keep his range wide.

Turn raise looks really strong. I don't think calling achieves anything as surely we just have to check fold any river that isn't a Q or K?

Poker Stars, $4.90 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37934170

SB: 19,565 (65.2 bb)
Hero (BB): 13,143 (43.8 bb)
UTG+2: 4,170 (13.9 bb)
MP1: 4,230 (14.1 bb)
MP2: 17,546 (58.5 bb)
MP3: 12,392 (41.3 bb)
CO: 24,348 (81.2 bb)
BTN: 8,601 (28.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

5 folds, BTN raises to 600, SB folds, Hero calls 300

Flop: (1,670) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (1,670) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets 675, BTN raises to 2,336, Hero folds

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05-23-2018 , 08:16 PM

AdamDiPa

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if you 3bet pre then you have to be prepared to call a 4bet jam. for that reason, i think call is best pre. check on the flop is fine. on the turn the bet is good to get some value, but you HAVE to call the raise. you could easily have him out kicked or he is unintentionally turning his hand into a bluff.

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05-24-2018 , 02:57 AM

Percyeus86

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 623

Yeah, it really bugged me. A lot of the time in my exp, this is just a set or a crappy two pair. People don't often raise turn after checking flop (from opening pre, albeit late) on a whim. That said, there are some terrible players in the 5.50, so wouldn't be surprised to see Q9, QT and my hand is really underrepped.

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05-24-2018 , 03:17 AM

gamboneee

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3b/c for 30bb seems pretty terrible, theres def hands you can 3b/f and if you want to make this one of them it doesnt seem too bad. flat is fine also. kind of gross spot here now, depends what you think hes capable of

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05-24-2018 , 03:37 AM

Percyeus86

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

I'd been really on point with my reads up until this, so went with my gut and elected to fold and was fine with it. Some 10 hands later I pick up AA in the BB; blinds are 250/500 at this point I believe. UTG+1 opens 2x (stack of about 11500. SB calls. I about 2.5x it back and UTG+1 jams. SB folds. I snap. AA v JJ. First card out = J.

MTT's are so frustrating. 😠

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05-24-2018 , 04:14 AM

gamboneee

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pretty hard to be on point on reads in hands when you fold tho. there is no reason to not have a 3b/f range in this spot pre; what you choose to put into it is up to you.

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05-24-2018 , 04:48 AM

Percyeus86

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 623

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

pretty hard to be on point on reads in hands when you fold tho. there is no reason to not have a 3b/f range in this spot pre; what you choose to put into it is up to you.

Why would we ever 3b/f KQs here though? Seems like a tragedy if we get 4bet and have to fold? Also potentially folds out his weaker Kx and Qx which is where we're going to make money from here. That said, I don't think he's raising turn here with Q8, Q9, QT...

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05-24-2018 , 04:55 AM

gamboneee

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ok what range do you assume he 4b rips with? how does kqs do vs that? is it ok to 3b/f? probably. is it ok to flat? yes. is 3b/c always the choice? doubtful.

my point was you can have tons of hands to 3b/f in this spot, but i doubt hes going to be light enough to make 3b/c the best option here. if you 3b 97s and showdown one time that still doesnt seem like a reason that you have to call it off with kqs. but pot committed and whatnot, gl

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