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BB v BTN 4 Betting bottom pair - Does this make any sense? BB v BTN 4 Betting bottom pair - Does this make any sense?

11-21-2020 , 01:09 PM
PKO, both players have stock bounty, V appears to be a decent reg (no stats)

PokerStars, $24.55 + $2.45 - Hold'em No Limit - 60/120 (12 ante) - 9 players
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UTG: 12,829 (107 bb)
UTG+1: 2,103 (18 bb)
MP: 16,425 (137 bb)
MP+1: 18,498 (154 bb)
LP: 10,362 (86 bb)
CO: 10,014 (83 bb)
BU: 10,272 (86 bb)
SB: 7,696 (64 bb)
BB (Hero): 8,716 (73 bb)

Pre-Flop: (288) Hero is BB with K 3
6 players fold, BTN raises to 264, 1 fold, Hero calls 144

Flop: (696) T 3 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 170, Hero raises to 504, BTN raises to 1,440, Hero raises to 3,720 (~4.7k behind)

I think flop x/r is pretty standard but I wasn't sure what to do when V 3 bet. It's probably just and easy fold but I feel like I still have the best hand a lot of the time. It's hard to make much of a value range for V here Tx, JJ+ don't play like this IMO. My line looks bluffy on this board. No idea what I do if he jams.. I get 2.57:1 on my money and I think that's super marginal.
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11-21-2020 , 02:32 PM
Think you are better off jamming or folding after BTN puts in the 1440 bet.
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11-21-2020 , 08:04 PM
Why do you not wanna just c/c flop?
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11-21-2020 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
Why do you not wanna just c/c flop?
It's not a bad point, I do a lot of x/r on these low paired boards but I think it's mostly to balance out a large bluff range and with this non connected, rainbow board maybe I'm just not bluffing enough. so maybe just x/c x/f 100%?
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11-21-2020 , 11:45 PM
I input a rough range and it says to just c/c K3s and the combos you wanna bluff with are hands that block Tx and/or turn backdoor equity. So it really likes QJ and 89. It also wants you to raise stuff like 97s etc. But that's assuming villain is betting optimally. So since we expect them not to cbet correctly typically at these stakes we can remove 97s and make it a bit more polarized. Also the solver hates the raise size to 504 vastly preferring to raise to 703.
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11-21-2020 , 11:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by killer_kill
I input a rough range and it says to just c/c K3s and the combos you wanna bluff with are hands that block Tx and/or turn backdoor equity. So it really likes QJ and 89. It also wants you to raise stuff like 97s etc. But that's assuming villain is betting optimally. So since we expect them not to cbet correctly typically at these stakes we can remove 97s and make it a bit more polarized. Also the solver hates the raise size to 504 vastly preferring to raise to 703.

Thanks for plugging that in! If you still have it open what is the value part of our x/r? Is it just Tx or are we raising out middle pocket pairs, A3/A3s?


Ps I think that bet sizing is just an all around leak in my game... raising the regular 2.5-3x size (post flop) just isn’t big enough OOP

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11-22-2020 , 02:40 AM
Just heavy value and the QJ combos to mostly balance it. So the take away from that solve would be to use a polarized raising range basically. You would just call pairs typically. You'll want coverage and hands that call/give up on unfavorable turns etc.
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11-23-2020 , 11:53 PM
I love the defend here. I think check/call flop and maybe just check call down if possible. Want to get cheap showdown.
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11-24-2020 , 04:47 PM
There's a lot of maybes in your explanation. Seems like FPS. As others suggest, just x/c flop.
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