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Bad shove with J 10s? Bad shove with J 10s?

09-24-2017 , 04:34 AM
Small MTT, final twelve get paid and money jumps get big for the final four. Villain min raises with a 10BB stack. I view it as weakness since he didn't just jam 10BBs and think I can get him to fold. Is jamming J 10s a bad play? Is fold equity + hand equity enough to make this profitable? While I can get the fold and chip up nicely, if I get called and get there I'll be in a good position to finish well in the tourney.

888 Poker - 1000/2000 Ante 250 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 52.39 BB (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 12.66 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
UTG: 8.58 BB (VPIP: 8.70, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 95)
UTG+1: 13.4 BB (VPIP: 14.86, PFR: 13.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 151)
MP: 23.23 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
CO: 10.07 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
Hero (BTN): 16.18 BB

7 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.38 BB) Hero has T J

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 16.06 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, CO calls 7.95 BB and is all-in

Flop: (22.27 BB, 2 players) 8 5 A

Turn: (22.27 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (22.27 BB, 2 players) A

CO shows A Q (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 59%, Flop 90%, Turn 84%)
Hero shows T J (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 41%, Flop 10%, Turn 16%)
CO wins 22.27 BB
Bad shove with J 10s? Quote
09-24-2017 , 04:52 AM
yes its a bad shove, hes never r/f a 10bb stack because hes priced in to call so you have no FE.

If hes opening a 10bb stack you shouldn't view it as weakness in fact on the contrary, this is usually a sign he is at the top of his range and wants action. Think about it, if he is at the bottom or middle of his range he is going to jam allin and maximise his FE, he wants folds and to take down the pot uncontested. If he is at the top of his range, JJ+,AQ+ he might want more action and just min open to induce someone to play back or give someone a good price to call. If I saw this I would immediately think AA or KK because opening 10bb is so sub-standard
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09-24-2017 , 04:58 AM
I might even fold this pre because in a vacumn his range should be so narrow and defined its going to be best to just ditch it seeing we don't have any implied odds behind with his stack
Bad shove with J 10s? Quote
09-24-2017 , 05:08 AM
Could be a good shove in some spots not ITM

This one looks like a fold pre


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