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Bad fold? Bad fold?

08-23-2019 , 07:04 PM
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (PokerStars)
Tourney Hand $12000.00 USD NL Holdem - Friday, August 23, 08:47:30 ET 2019
Table 2674191414 23 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 7: Hero ( 3079 ) -
Seat 9: Player9 ( 7347 ) - (VPIP23 / PFR 10/ 3BET 7.69 / 31 hands)
Seat 1: Player1 ( 4958 )
Seat 2: Player2 ( 4305 )
Seat 3: Player3 ( 20662 )
Seat 4: Player4 ( 4015 )
Seat 5: Player5 ( 5723 )
Seat 6: Player6 ( 6111 )
Player1 posts ante of [15 ].
Player2 posts ante of [15 ].
Player3 posts ante of [15 ].
Player4 posts ante of [15 ].
Player5 posts ante of [15 ].
Player6 posts ante of [15 ].
Hero posts ante of [15 ].
Player9 posts ante of [15 ].
Player9 posts small blind [60 ].
Player1 posts big blind [120 ].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Player1 [ Q A ]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [360 ]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Hero calls [360 ]
Player9 calls [300 ]
Player1 calls [240 ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2, A, 4 ]
Player9 checks
Player1 checks
Player4 bets [980 ]
Hero calls [980 ]
Player9 folds
Player1 calls [980 ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5 ]
Player1 checks
Player4 bets [2660 ]
Hero folds
Player1 folds
Player4 returned 2660
Player4 wins 4500


Villain can cbet with almost 100% of his range, so I feel I'm ahead his range and I call.
With the 5 on the turn, Villain pushes me all-in, and I am quite sure he has something really valuable. He shouldn't have any 3 in his range.

I think he could make this move with KhKx,AA,KhQ,AJ+, some flush draws (rare) with Ace and kicker of hearts (Jh,Kh) some made flush like KhTh and KhJh.

With the benefit of hindsight, I realised most part of his hands that beat me are blocked both by A on the flop and by my AQ

I have 6.6 to 1 pot odds to call, but I interpret Villain's move as really strong. Should have I called? What would you do?
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08-23-2019 , 09:58 PM
3b preflop with antes in play for sure.
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08-24-2019 , 02:32 AM
You've got a point. I didn't 3bet because Villain seemed to be somewhat tight
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08-24-2019 , 03:55 PM
It's just too good of a 3b/fold hand tbh. Basically once antes come into play if you really wanna get better you need to learn to assess weaker ranges and times you can 3b profitably and esp to 3b/f with intentions of accumulating chips. This will help you define their range more and not be 4 handed to an ace high flop where you now feel kinda lost.
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08-25-2019 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
It's just too good of a 3b/fold hand tbh. Basically once antes come into play if you really wanna get better you need to learn to assess weaker ranges and times you can 3b profitably and esp to 3b/f with intentions of accumulating chips. This will help you define their range more and not be 4 handed to an ace high flop where you now feel kinda lost.
Don't think it's great to 3b/f AQo 25bb deep against 3x on the button.
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08-25-2019 , 04:24 PM
Oh you're right it's hard to read stacks and positions when they aren't converted.
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08-26-2019 , 02:22 AM
Do I have the stack size to shove pre?
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08-26-2019 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Theagent77
Do I have the stack size to shove pre?
I wouldn't rule out that possibility, but what range would you be 3shoving in that case?
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08-26-2019 , 04:31 AM
Mmm you're right maybe I wouldn't shove AQo 25BB in position. My range would be tighter, but everything depends on Villain's tendencies. So basically, I was right to call on the BTN, but I should have played for stacks if I hit?
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08-26-2019 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Theagent77
Mmm you're right maybe I wouldn't shove AQo 25BB in position. My range would be tighter, but everything depends on Villain's tendencies. So basically, I was right to call on the BTN, but I should have played for stacks if I hit?
The problem with shoving a tighter 3shove range is that you will be including there hands that are way more profitable as a light 3bet (maybe you are thinking of something like 99-JJ, AKo to adress that)
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08-26-2019 , 06:53 PM
Also I'm not seeing the 25bb stack.

Everyone is 35+bb deep from what I can tell.
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08-27-2019 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by killer_kill
Also I'm not seeing the 25bb stack.

Everyone is 35+bb deep from what I can tell.
BB is 120 and Hero has 3079
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08-27-2019 , 06:47 PM
Anyway, how would you guys play this hand 25BB deep? Call and jam if you hit? 3bet shove pre? I'm honestly curious because I find myself in thousands of spots like this and whatever I do, I always feel I make the wrong choice
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08-28-2019 , 04:50 PM
I see it now.

If we're on 25 vs a 3x with AQo we basically always wanna be getting it in pre. I would jam this and 3b/c AQs since if we get flatted we flop a lot better.
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