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BAD C-BET? BAD C-BET?

07-04-2020 , 06:10 AM
No Limit Hold'em Tournament T125/T250
Buy-in: $0.98+$0.12 USD Hold'em No Limit
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9 players
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Villain have 15vpip/9pfr/0 3-b (hands 137)

Stacks:
UTG - Hero (T13,096)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T5,605)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T13,653)
MP - MP (T4,980)
MP2 - MP2 (T10,999)
CO - CO (T8,282)
BTN - BTN (T6,112)
SB - SB (T4,481)
BB - BB (T2,788)

Preflop: (T555, 9 players) Hero is UTG with 5 A
Hero raises to T625, 3 folds, MP2 calls T625, 4 folds

Flop: Q 7 2 (T1,805, 2 players)
Hero bets T812, MP2 calls T812

Turn: K (T3,429, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: 8 (T3,429, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Total Pot: T3,429
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07-04-2020 , 06:45 AM
I do not mind the way you played your hand. On this dry flop, it will probably be profitable. Check fold is also fine. Maybe c-bet vs the nit is the better play.
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07-04-2020 , 10:07 AM
I would tend to bet the turn also as its a good card for our range
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07-04-2020 , 08:20 PM
No, you should not bet the turn. Your hand was a borderline check back on the flop. On turn and river you should be checking back to go to showdown. You will some times win.
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07-05-2020 , 05:03 AM
^ disagree - we are rarely ahead vs tight player flatting UTG raise - but we will fold out quite a lot of range
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07-05-2020 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
^ disagree - we are rarely ahead vs tight player flatting UTG raise - but we will fold out quite a lot of range
I disagree. If you are bluffing with this hand then you will be bluffing way to much. Also, why bluff with a hand that has a showdown value? It does not makes sense.

Also, why not having a worse hand to bluff with no showdown value and that has a bit of equity? There are two flushdraws, straight draws, you have a TON of better hands to bluff with. Why chose this hand that wants to go to showdown? If you are bluffing this one then you are definitely overbluffing. I am not a big fan of double barrels with air with no blockers and no draw.

Also, if you are cbetting this hand on the turn then what exactly are you checking back?
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07-05-2020 , 05:47 AM
^ I know it's exploitative and exploiitable but I'm more interested in the board than the hand - it hits our range better than V and we have very little sdv - what is a tight player calling pre and flop with that is behind us ? - possibly some flush draws but most weaker flush draws will have been folded pre.
Yes we should generally be bluffing with equity but I think that it is very hard for V to continue with the mid pp type hands and floats to make a bet profitable
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07-05-2020 , 09:27 AM
I do not like it. And you do not have very little showdown value. You have some. If you were with T-high then your showdown value is little.

You are just going off the tracks from fundamentally correct strategy. You should definitely play exploitative but this does not mean you have to be doing this. I doubt unnecessary naked bluff like this will be profitable in the long term. I love barreling but you just gotta choose your hands better. This is not one of them.
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07-05-2020 , 01:41 PM
^ you've not come up with any hands we are ahead of tho - JTcc and that's about it - it may be a naked bluff but it's not an unnecessary naked bluff - we aren't winning this pot without another bet
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07-05-2020 , 04:34 PM
You cannot win every hand.
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07-06-2020 , 01:38 AM
I think I’d rather bet turn than flop.
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07-06-2020 , 05:53 PM
What do you think Vs flatting range pre is and how much of that folds the flop?
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07-11-2020 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
^ I know it's exploitative and exploiitable but I'm more interested in the board than the hand - it hits our range better than V and we have very little sdv - what is a tight player calling pre and flop with that is behind us ? - possibly some flush draws but most weaker flush draws will have been folded pre.
Yes we should generally be bluffing with equity but I think that it is very hard for V to continue with the mid pp type hands and floats to make a bet profitable
Do we really have a range advantage? Generally it's bc we have more AK, but he hasn't 3b once in 137 hands. Low sample size for sure, but I'm not sure he's capped here like most flatters would be. Plus if we are raising UTG wide enough to include A5s, we have way more SC/PP/Ax than AK, and it makes up a much smaller portion of our range. Sure the bet-call helps that, but you have to hope he is weak enough to be exploited yet thinking enough to put you on AK. 15/9 doesn't always mean weak tight. I'd like to know W2SD% or something. I think such a low level tournament, you would be better off underbluffing than overbluffing, but at least I like double barrelling more than auto cbetting and then only playing turns "honest".
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07-12-2020 , 09:03 AM
you're right I hadn't factored in the lack of 3 bets, but I don't think it would put me off barrelling - most players who don't 3 bet are at least a little weak-tight, we have a lot of value combos inc all AA KK QQ AK KQ 77.
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07-12-2020 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
you're right I hadn't factored in the lack of 3 bets, but I don't think it would put me off barrelling - most players who don't 3 bet are at least a little weak-tight, we have a lot of value combos inc all AA KK QQ AK KQ 77.
He probably has more KQ, same amount of 77, and not that much less of QQ+,AK. But I agree to many players (not convinced this one) these are raises on the flop. Also, like kings are a small percentage of our range, his is also probably pretty Q/mid pair/flush draw heavy. What we lack in range advantage (actual range advantage rather than perceived if we are throwing in this many bluffs), we probably do make up in fold equity vs a probably weak-tight player. Like you said both exploitative and exploitable.
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