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01-20-2018 , 01:49 PM

Davesreiberg

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 400

No reads on this guy. Not sure what he is flatting and then 4betting again after. Maybe tricky AA,KK. Should we call the turn? Just seems like a really tough spot.
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Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (70/140 blinds, 21 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37929374

CO: 27,710 (197.9 bb)
BTN: 11,192 (79.9 bb)
SB: 9,009 (64.4 bb)
Hero (BB): 12,824 (91.6 bb)
UTG+1: 12,288 (87.8 bb)
UTG+2: 8,198 (58.6 bb)
MP1: 9,293 (66.4 bb)
MP2: 19,328 (138.1 bb)
MP3: 3,136 (22.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

2 folds, MP1 raises to 322, MP2 calls 322, 4 folds, Hero raises to 1,325, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 2,940, Hero calls 1,615

Flop: (6,461) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Turn: (6,461) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 2,450, Hero folds

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01-21-2018 , 05:30 AM

Colin_Piddle

The Colonial

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,807

I'm definitely calling the turn in that spot. If he bets river again its an easy fold. Theres a lot of players clicking an insane amount of buttons at $2 level, if you sharkscope and he's a reg theres an argument for folding but otherwise call and reevaluate on river.

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02-01-2018 , 10:39 AM

kokgr79

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Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 88

MP2 has either AA or KK .call from early position waiting someone to squezee.
Because of the check the flop he has KK.
with the A on the board you have a point to fold.

On the other hand it is just a $2 MTT

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02-01-2018 , 11:44 AM

Darth_Maul

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,433

Such an unusual line but I don't see how this could be anything other than AA/KK. After you 3b the original raiser folds, so there is no need to isolate you with a 4b. And the sizing is small, only slightly more than a minraise. That's a pure value play if I've ever seen one.

Then he checks the flop either with top set to slowplay or with KK because he's afraid of the Ace and wants to see if you'll bet the turn. When you don't he assumes you don't have an Ace so he makes a small bet to see if you'll call with what you have.

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02-04-2018 , 05:34 AM

Colin_Piddle

The Colonial

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,807

I think you are very wrong here and getting massively exploited here by folding. The fact he has amassed such a large amount of chips here leads me to think he could easily be a button clicking fish. Narrowly his range to KK or AA is wrong. Obviously if you sharkscope him and he's a reg then maybe you can but its a $2 mtt there a ton of bad players.

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02-05-2018 , 11:37 AM

nomalice

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Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 1,651

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

i agree.

@collin, i think actually we're exploiting them by folding here

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02-06-2018 , 06:16 AM

mttplayer

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 197

call pf. bet flop half pot. fold turn.

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02-07-2018 , 02:22 AM

wowsooooted

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5,077

I think if im playing my best I would proly fold turn, everything else is std

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02-08-2018 , 10:31 AM

toki

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 42

You've played the hand pretty weak to this point post flop so I think you have to call turn or you're getting exploited too much.

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02-08-2018 , 10:46 AM

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HawkesDave

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Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1,173

9-handed he's flatting a 2.25x PFR with AA/KK with all that action still behind him? Yeah, I don't know about that. The 4b was small but it wasn't a min-raise by any means.

In any case, on a rainbow flop, there's all kinds of Ax he could have in his range that he checked for pot-control/delayed cbet value. He also has a lot of middle pairs up to JJ so I think this is really close on the turn. Readless I think I'm OK with going either way here.

I think there's a strong argument to be made for a jam pre.

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02-08-2018 , 11:48 AM

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Darth_Maul

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 4,433

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Originally Posted by HawkesDave

I think it is far, far more likely that he flatted and then made a small 4b with AA/KK than with a middle pair.

When you don't have a specific read on an opponent you're much better off making decisions based on the rule rather than the exception. Is it possible he could have TT/JJ? Sure, anything is possible. But the likelihood that he plays AA/KK like this is exponentially greater.

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02-08-2018 , 05:46 PM

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pyrde50

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 58

without reads this is a call on the turn... You are overfolding a lot if you fold QQ here. I've played a lot of micro stakes tourneys on stars and when someone calls preflop and then 4bets it has mostly been a medium pocket pair for example 88 or 77... Or maybe the players I've been faced with in tourneys are just complete fish but I'd call here, especially when getting a very good price. And hypothetically if he'd jam the river I'd fold at that point.

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