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AQo paired flop as pfr oop AQo paired flop as pfr oop

07-16-2018 , 07:25 AM
partypoker - 2250/4500 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 19.94 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)
MP+1: 123.91 BB (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 13.24, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 70)
CO: 37.91 BB (VPIP: 27.54, PFR: 13.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.78, Hands: 140)
BTN: 69.02 BB (VPIP: 21.17, PFR: 3.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 328)
BB: 22.22 BB (VPIP: 27.48, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 9.50, Hands: 478)
UTG: 22.22 BB (VPIP: 19.48, PFR: 5.28, 3Bet Preflop: 0.75, Hands: 350)
UTG+1: 22.22 BB (VPIP: 23.83, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 607)
Hero (UTG+2): 60.33 BB

8 players post ante of 0.11 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.92 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.92 BB, 2 players) 6 9 6
Hero bets 2.04 BB, CO raises to 4.57 BB, Hero calls 2.54 BB

Turn: (16.06 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, CO bets 7.53 BB, fold

CO wins 23.59 BB

V plays 28/14 after 140 hands call any 2bet 28(20/71), call any 2bet CO 25(3/12) , fold to flop cbet 54 , raise cbet 23 (3/13), total AF 4.6

if you think x/c flop would be better what do you do on turn if you won't hit?
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07-16-2018 , 09:49 AM
OTF you don't have any value, so you c-bet for bluff. what type of hands from V's range are you hoping to fold out by using c-bet size < 1/3 of the pot?
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07-16-2018 , 12:03 PM
i bet this for protection i don"t want him to catch his outs for free
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07-16-2018 , 12:17 PM
There is not a lot of draws on board, so you are protecting against K,J,T potentially. He will never fold a pair, so you are giving him his value by betting. It's ofc hard to play oop, but you want to have some Ax hands to be able to c/c flop with. This is a good combo with two overs. It's a good bluff catcher combo against a super aggro rec. I would x/c this flop and turn against this opponent, and evaluate the river. If you hit your hand on any street, it would be a good perceived bluff card for him, which will increase your value further.
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07-16-2018 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sezam
i bet this for protection i don"t want him to catch his outs for free
Okay, for protection, sure ...but let me ask the same question this way : by c-betting less than 1/3 of the pot and giving him more than 4 : 1 pot odds, do you want him to fold or do you want him to call?
Also, what's your plan if V raises OTF? Do you call or fold?

Last edited by cizixap; 07-16-2018 at 01:15 PM.
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07-16-2018 , 01:30 PM
ok then x/c is better what do you do with turn by default when brick comes he bets half pot and you don't have much information on V?
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07-17-2018 , 03:16 AM
Actually, I think that c-bet is good here.
Let's make reasonable assumption that V's range is capped meaning that he does not hold TT-AA, AJs+, AJ+ because he woud probably 3-bets with these hands...we play small stakes and 3-bet strategy is not that sophisticated..
So, he might have pairs 22-99, suited aces A2s-ATs, perhaps some offsuited aces, broadways, suited connectors.
C bet here achieves the following goals:
1) fold out small pairs if he decided to mine a set
2) fold out suited aces that hit bdfd
3) fold out broadways that aim to hit 12 outs.
4) fold out gs, oesd.

however, I am not sure that bet size < 1/3 would achieve that..I would just bet more than that, for example 1/2 of the pot.
If he calls, you reduce the perceived range further and decide OTT.
If he raises your c-bet, that's probably time to fold, depending of raise size tho...
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07-17-2018 , 08:20 AM
I think you played it fine.

I've started using the small CB followed by larger turn barrel and I'm a big fan. So when I CB small here I would do it with the intention of betting more than half pot on the turn.

The small raise is unlikely to be a big hand. He won't have many 6x in his range and he would slowplay 99. So a raise like this usually means, "I don't think that flop hit you so I'm going to try to raise you off it." He could be doing that with hands like A9/J9/T9, small pairs, or even overcards. You have good odds to call and see what happens on the turn.

When you whiff the turn it becomes a x/f spot because you don't have the odds to draw to an A/Q anymore.
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07-17-2018 , 10:08 AM
Small cb can be used effectively but on this board oop i dont like it. V will continue close to 100% of his range and put you in a tough spot unless you hit a A or Q.
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07-17-2018 , 10:48 AM
the problem with check here is in that you basically allow him to see the turn card for free...if he has any draw - gs, bdfd, oesd, 6 outs - he can complete the draw for free. that does not seem to be optimal...however, let's see that GTO says about that..I will put this hand in GTO solver later and share the result...
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07-17-2018 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief_h
Small cb can be used effectively but on this board oop i dont like it. V will continue close to 100% of his range and put you in a tough spot unless you hit a A or Q.
Actually this is a great flop for the small CB because it doesn't hit villain's range. So he will either just fold now or float and then fold to the big bet on the turn.
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07-18-2018 , 01:20 AM
Really hate the call on the flop to his reraise. You range includes all overpairs a9s, T9s etc, when villain raises your cbet that favours your range just fold. I know it's a cheap price but let's say he has a 9 (he could also have pocket pairs or a random 6 sometimes) you only have 6 outs or about 12ish%. You're losing money with this call most of the time 2bb to win 10bb and likely facing a turn barrel.

Cbet is totally fine, and 1/3 pot is great too. You would make the same sizing with your overpairs.
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